2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Big sticking point with me is that they’ve shut out their season ticket holders since 2019.

There have been no “town halls” or anything. Pretty much zero communication other than the occasional “hey we have an extra pair of tickets in the lower bowl” once a season per account.

So while they may be talking to some people, the organization is not communicating to their season ticket holders or their fans in any meaningful way.

One of the best things about Ken King was he was sort of the “face” of the franchise. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, he was always willing to stand in front of everyone and say it. You kind of got a sense of what ownership was about and what the overall philosophy of the organization was. Now it’s just Brad Treliving and a vague guess at what anyone above him thinks of things.

We had it good with Ken. I don’t even know who replaced him. But I agree that it’s tough getting nothing from everyone above Treliving.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Big sticking point with me is that they’ve shut out their season ticket holders since 2019.

There have been no “town halls” or anything. Pretty much zero communication other than the occasional “hey we have an extra pair of tickets in the lower bowl” once a season per account.

So while they may be talking to some people, the organization is not communicating to their season ticket holders or their fans in any meaningful way.

Thanks for the heads-up. I will mention that. Obviously COVID was heavily involved, but this is a good comment, as it should be OK to do them now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

I doubt he even gets to 60 pts.

I don't think it can be understated just how bad that contract is looking right now. It would probably cost as much to get rid of that contract as it would to have acquired him in the first place. Worst contract in the league, and possibly the worst in NHL history since the 8-year term limits came into effect.

[Calgary4LIfe]

16 out of 32 teams make the playoffs (and for a large portion of Treliving's tenure, more than half made it).


Treliving - for whatever reason - has not built a team that consistently makes the playoffs. He has not built an above average team.



I listened to the interview with David Poile on Sportsnet, and what he is doing makes sense to me. This is not verbatim, but he basically said: "We were in what I call the mushy middle. We can't get out of the 1st round, so we decided to take a couple of steps back so we can start moving forward again."


Nashville has a better win% than the Flames, more success over the same time-period with Calgary, and they are 1 point back with 3 games in hand.



I am not even stomping my feet for a firesale and complete rebuild. The least that should be done is make additional wiggle room on next season's cap right now, in order to try and take advantage of teams with no cap space, rather than be a team that gets taken advantage of. Flames are going to be tight against the cap next season as is. At least alleviate this, and get back some draft capital for a team that I consider a pretty good drafting team, rather than running a deficit on a team that isn't a playoff team.

[Pickle Juice]

What's the latest Sec214? Give us something Please?

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I have a silly question - Does nobody believe that any of the Flames will be better next year? Or is the consensus is that these guys are what they are - Markstrom is a less than average goalie, Huberdeau is a 50 pt guy, Mangi is a 15 goal guy, etc...?

If someone had the best statistical year of their career in 2021-22 and then had the worst statistical year of their career in 2022-23 are we going with "they will always be closer to the worst than the best"?

I'm just saying, yes the trade value may be there now, and they may lose some trade value over time, but is a bounce back season not possible? Many posts note that if they had even average goaltending, or were close to average shooting percentage the Flames would have won a few more games and be in the show.

Not a silly question at all, I think a bounce back from many of the players is likely and possible next season, but is that bounce back large enough to make a deep run in the playoffs and compete for a cup? Cause if not, what are we doing. If we run into Colorado or Edmonton in the PO with this roster I think we get wrecked, and I hate to say that. Too slow, no game-breakers, and we still run the risk of Markstrom forgetting how to goalie when the pressure ramps up.

Build through the draft for once, even if it's on the fly while we try to make some round 1 playoff money. This is a super deep team full of complimentary players with hardly any elite talent for them to compliment.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by agulati

Agreed. The previous excuse and reasoning was Covid, which was understandable. Absolutely no reason for them to not organize anything during this year. I had even reached out to my ticket rep beginning of this season and the answer was that they were working on something, which turned out to be nothing.

They could have done Zoom sessions or whatever in the years since 2020 - but they've done nothing.

I reached out and was flat out told they have no plans to do them.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Lindholm is one of the most likley candidates to not want to re-sign. Plus, he's lost his linemates (hell, 3 of them) who he had big time success with. He justifiably probably feels underpaid at the moment, whereas Backlund, Tanev, Hanifin, Dube, Toffoli are paid right around where they deserve to be.

Hanifin's American so there's that concern. Toffoli is a guy who's been on a bunch of teams so moving's not a big deal to him either.

His best buddy Marky is still here.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by UKflames

So this season will now finish with no trades at the deadline, team goes on a hot streak, now that marky's wife has given birth, but we still miss the playoffs by a point or two, giving us a worse draft pick.

Sounds about right for the flames.

I’m definitely in the minority but I’m mostly okay with this. I still think this is a competitive group that had a bad year. I think back to teams like Colorado and Tampa missing the playoffs when they were expected to be much better.

That said, I thought BT came up short last summer and that we ended up short a top 6 forward and in the end an offensive D man also (hello Kilington, are you there?).

I think the biggest miss isn’t buying or selling short term but failing to take advantage of a period of massive player movement to improve the team over the medium term.

Whether I or anyone else agrees or disagrees, it doesn’t seem that we cheer for an organization that chooses to tear it all down and rebuild. The Tkachuk trade was the time to start that if we wanted to. The goal of the franchise is to have a competitive but not necessarily super star team year in and year out.

If that’s the goal/plan, the team missed the mark by not moving more future chips in for players under contract. For example, we could have gone all in with AZ for Chychrun. The defense isn’t where it should or was expected to be without Kilington. If he had been here and we traded a D to improve the forward ranks, the D would be what it is now but maybe .5 GpG more from improvement to the forward corps.

Hard to know what other answers can come from within. Can Coronato fill some of the hole? Will Kilington be back and if so can he come back and play at the level he was?

Whatever the case, there are very few periods with player movement like this. We need to improve the top 6 somehow and in a way that gets better results from our $10MM man. We also need a D man that either drives more offense or frees someone like Weegar up more from defensive side of the puck to do more offensively.

To me, I think it was a missed opportunity not taking advantage of teams willingness to make big moves to find 1 or 2 players with great contracts for 2-4 years and to consider moves to shake things up to find more chemistry.

[soulchoice]

TSN commenting and talking about our very own Sieve, Marky. Basically saying last year was not the norm. Biron and Noodles have said his normal numbers have always been in about the top 15, not top 3. Now, I don’t know how valid this is, but they are at least talking about the Flames player.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We spent a 1st in 2025 to build this roster was all I was getting at. They've sunk a future 1st round pick to build this mess.

Not directing this solely at you, but just in general.

Is it really a mess? Or is it just bad luck, untimely bad goaltending?

If you were to watch most games and did not see the goals or score, you would more often than not say that the Flames controlled play, if not dominated.

They have hit so many posts, if they are mid-pack in goals posts, they are comfortably in a playoff spot.

They have had their goalies give up back-breaking goals at the exact wrong time. Markstrom is better than he has shown and I feel like that could just as easily turn around next year. Even average Markstrom goaltending and they are comfortably in a playoff spot.

The OT record is an anomaly. Win a few more of those and again, comfortably in a playoff spot.

I know that we have to live in reality, and these tings have happened, but this is probably the absolute worst case scenario with this roster. If you played this season out 100 times, this would be in the bottom 5 of the results in my opinion.

People will scoff, but I am fine running this team back next year with the expected losses to be cap compliant and a few AHL guys moved up.

[Macho0978]

If the Flames do nothing they at least need to broker a trade with their cap space. 0 trades is unacceptable.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

One of the best things about Ken King was he was sort of the “face” of the franchise. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, he was always willing to stand in front of everyone and say it. You kind of got a sense of what ownership was about and what the overall philosophy of the organization was. Now it’s just Brad Treliving and a vague guess at what anyone above him thinks of things.

We had it good with Ken. I don’t even know who replaced him. But I agree that it’s tough getting nothing from everyone above Treliving.

Ken was one of a kind, that's for sure.

John Bean took over from him as President and CEO. He was CFO under Ken.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/team/executive

[traptor]

Originally Posted by zukes

Not directing this solely at you, but just in general.

Is it really a mess? Or is it just bad luck, untimely bad goaltending?

If you were to watch most games and did not see the goals or score, you would more often than not say that the Flames controlled play, if not dominated.

They have hit so many posts, if they are mid-pack in goals posts, they are comfortably in a playoff spot.

They have had their goalies give up back-breaking goals at the exact wrong time. Markstrom is better than he has shown and I feel like that could just as easily turn around next year. Even average Markstrom goaltending and they are comfortably in a playoff spot.

The OT record is an anomaly. Win a few more of those and again, comfortably in a playoff spot.

I know that we have to live in reality, and these tings have happened, but this is probably the absolute worst case scenario with this roster. If you played this season out 100 times, this would be in the bottom 5 of the results in my opinion.

People will scoff, but I am fine running this team back next year with the expected losses to be cap compliant and a few AHL guys moved up.

Seems like this organization always has bad luck. At some point it's not bad luck and just bad decision making

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

One of the best things about Ken King was he was sort of the “face” of the franchise. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, he was always willing to stand in front of everyone and say it. You kind of got a sense of what ownership was about and what the overall philosophy of the organization was. Now it’s just Brad Treliving and a vague guess at what anyone above him thinks of things.

We had it good with Ken. I don’t even know who replaced him. But I agree that it’s tough getting nothing from everyone above Treliving.

Very true. I don't think many know of, have spoken to, or could recognize John Bean. Not to say that means he's doing a poor job, but it does mean that he's doing a poor job of being front and center and communicating with the public.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

One of the best things about Ken King was he was sort of the “face” of the franchise. Whether you liked what he had to say or not, he was always willing to stand in front of everyone and say it. You kind of got a sense of what ownership was about and what the overall philosophy of the organization was. Now it’s just Brad Treliving and a vague guess at what anyone above him thinks of things.

We had it good with Ken. I don’t even know who replaced him. But I agree that it’s tough getting nothing from everyone above Treliving.

Absolutely. At the STH town halls he'd walk around to (I !@#$ you not) absolutely everyone and introduce himself and talk hockey/the league/the team. It was great. Brian Burke was also really engaging at these events as well - and hell, so was Jay Feaster.

Yeah, the team wasn't very good back then but at least they put a face on it and worked to show how they appreciate their fans. Now? The team is bad and they don't do !@#$.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Ken was one of a kind, that's for sure.

John Bean took over from him as President and CEO. He was CFO under Ken.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/team/executive

I've met John a few times. Nothing against the guy, typical company man.

Not sure anyone took losses harder than Ken.

[browntrout]

Listening to the radio is just depressing...this team over values it's players way to often....give the kids a chance....they have to clear cap space for next year...so why not get extra assets right now...does anyone really believe this team will make the playoffs even next year....the direction of this team is going no where

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I've met John a few times. Nothing against the guy, typical company man.

Not sure anyone took losses harder than Ken.

John is an accountant by trade who is much more of a numbers guy than anything.

He's not going to be the one pushing more marketing initiatives IMO. He's there to make sure they are making money.

[Manhattanboy]

Its a cruel world when Seattle fans have a much brighter short and long term future than us.

Actually that goes for about 90% of the fan bases in the league.