03-03-2023, 08:24 AM
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#13401
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#1 Goaltender
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The truth was that the flames put themselves into "win now" mode when they signed a 29-yo and a 31-yo to those high cost deals that will age poorly.
It didn't work out and now they have to decide whether it was the team construction or just bad luck. If it's team construction, tear it down. If you think it's bad luck, then you remain in win-now mode.
If they sell Lindholm or Backlund, they might as well sell Mangiapane, Huby and Kadri as well. What's the point of having aging stars if you're not in "win now" mode?
So they have two choices. They can either stick with it or they can cut bait and rebuild. That's a really hard decision and they should be struggling with it.
The last thing I want to see the flames do is a half-measure. Beyond trading Tanev and non-core players like Lewis and Lucic, either do nothing or tear it down.
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03-03-2023, 08:25 AM
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#13402
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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I would move Backs if a deal came up. His value isn't going to be any higher than it is right now. Well, possibly next year at the expiration of his contract... but who knows if he maintains the type of form he's currently in. Would rather deal him (if possible) when we KNOW his value is high.
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03-03-2023, 08:25 AM
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#13403
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Oh I agree
The rebuild is coming whether they like it or not
But they are going to be dragged into it kicking and screaming
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While walking some assets to UFA and trading others for pennies on the dollar.
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03-03-2023, 08:25 AM
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#13404
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Look at this franchises history of GMs and explain to me why you have confidence
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I think absolute best case scenario for us is to have Treliving in the GM seat longterm and for him and Sutter to be pulling in the same direction.
Treliving is a competent general manager, and that's more than what we can hope for as fans of this organization. My biggest hope is that the direction that Treliving and Sutter both pull in is towards a rebuild. I'd feel confident in having Treliving/Sutter leading that direction...but yikes, it just doesn't seem like a decision ownership would make here. They seem driven to run their organization like the 2002 New York Rangers.
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03-03-2023, 08:27 AM
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#13405
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor
There are a lot of bright hockey minds out there, and only 32 NHL GM jobs. Brad Treliving isn't some unicorn manager that I'd fear losing.
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Yup. Look at Treliving’s record. He has done lots of work and the team is still mediocre at best
I’d take a chance with a fresh mind. If he is worse, we get better picks. It’s better than 9th place or losing 1st rounds
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03-03-2023, 08:28 AM
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#13406
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
The truth was that the flames put themselves into "win now" mode when they signed a 29-yo and a 31-yo to those high cost deals that will age poorly.
It didn't work out and now they have to decide whether it was the team construction or just bad luck. If it's team construction, tear it down. If you think it's bad luck, then you remain in win-now mode.
If they sell Lindholm or Backlund, they might as well sell Mangiapane, Huby and Kadri as well. What's the point of having aging stars if you're not in "win now" mode?
So they have two choices. They can either stick with it or they can cut bait and rebuild. That's a really hard decision and they should be struggling with it.
The last thing I want to see the flames do is a half-measure. Beyond trading Tanev and non-core players like Lewis and Lucic, either do nothing or tear it down.
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Although I think it shouldn't matter, I think the Flames are errantly viewing their commitments to Huberdeau and Kadri and saying that they have no choice but to try and win now, despite these two players being sunk costs.
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03-03-2023, 08:29 AM
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#13407
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Look at this franchises history of GMs and explain to me why you have confidence
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Confidence in what? I only spoke to the fact that Treliving is just another mediocre guy. He's not a guy I fear losing.
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03-03-2023, 08:30 AM
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#13408
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
I think it's not smart to sell Mangiapane this season when his value is at his lowest.
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It could always be lower next year.
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03-03-2023, 08:30 AM
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#13409
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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TSN saying they don't expect the Flames to be active at all.
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03-03-2023, 08:30 AM
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#13410
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor
Confidence in what? I only spoke to the fact that Treliving is just another mediocre guy. He's not a guy I fear losing.
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I dont think Jiri is saying differently, but I fear who he could be replaced by.
This organization bats like 10% to even land an average GM.
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03-03-2023, 08:31 AM
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#13411
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by chedder
It could always be lower next year.
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a risk for sure but probably one I'd be willing to take given his underlying numbers
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03-03-2023, 08:31 AM
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#13413
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#1 Goaltender
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edit: n/m
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
The thing is, my posts, thoughts and insights may be my opinions but they're also quite factual.
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03-03-2023, 08:31 AM
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#13414
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
TSN saying they don't expect the Flames to be active at all.
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Haha. They better at least trade Lewis for a 6th or something
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03-03-2023, 08:32 AM
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#13415
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
TSN saying they don't expect the Flames to be active at all.
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Yup. I'm fine with it. Figure this stuff out in the off-season
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Just trying to do my best
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03-03-2023, 08:33 AM
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#13416
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Although I think it shouldn't matter, I think the Flames are errantly viewing their commitments to Huberdeau and Kadri and saying that they have no choice but to try and win now, despite these two players being sunk costs.
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I actually agree with the flames. If they're not going to win-now, then these two players should be the first two traded. These two players have done nothing for the franchise and I don't think the franchise needs to throw itself into 8-years of mediocrity just to honor their contracts. The franchise owes them nothing.
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03-03-2023, 08:33 AM
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#13417
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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__________________
Just trying to do my best
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03-03-2023, 08:34 AM
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#13418
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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03-03-2023, 08:36 AM
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#13419
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
I actually agree with the flames. If they're not going to win-now, then these two players should be the first two traded. These two players have done nothing for the franchise and I don't think the franchise needs to throw itself into 8-years of mediocrity just to honor their contracts. The franchise owes them nothing.
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That's all well and good but those contracts aren't being moved, Huberdeau's hasn't even started yet. They're staying, and will be apart of any rebuild retool etc etc
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