2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Anyone else getting a playback error on the trade deadline show on Sportsnet Now? I’ve tried a number of devices, no luck.

Pretty funny.

Same here. SN Now is the worst.

[Muta]

Stay the course - get Edmundson or Ritchie today, and we're immediately back on par with the other contenders.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Anyone else getting a playback error on the trade deadline show on Sportsnet Now? I’ve tried a number of devices, no luck.

Pretty funny.

They are probably thinking what’s the point

[Ped]

The Flames are actually in a pretty trick position, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to see them come back the same (or mostly the same, as the cap allows)

I've said it before, but nearly everyone was praising the Flames for having two key players not want to be here anymore, and managing to turn that situation into acquiring proven talent - Huberdeau was no flash in the pan, and Weegar has been getting praise for at least a couple of season and listed on many people's underrated lists.

Yes, signing them immediately was risky - but again, these were two proven guys, and there is no doubt in my mind that it would have been a bad idea to go through this season wondering if these guys were going to re-sign, the way they did last season with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

The fact remains that Calgary is not a destination a ton of people prefer to play in - so when you can get high caliber players to sign, it's probably a good idea to do it.

Obviously something is off this season. The goaltending is a huge part of it, and the lack of finish/urgency is another. Does that require wholesale changes? Maybe.

But we know goaltenders often go from terrible season to great one. We know sometimes teams just sometimes have off years. And we know some teams struggle even with good pieces and good corsi stats, but can change with a couple of minor adjustments.

Yes, people have been pointing out the struggles of Huberdeau and Markstrom all year. But you also don't want to give up on proven players too soon, because there's always a good chance they pop elsewhere.

The Flames UFA situation next off-season actually has them more likely to not do anything major now. This season is lost, so be it. Look at everything over the summer. Make your tweaks. And if next season is lost, you can still trade your pending UFAs.

The only real reason you do something now is because some teams are paying a premium. You can argue Treliving has been unprepared, but do you really think teams aren't interested in guys like Backlund, and just aren't calling Treliving because he didn't call them first?

There's no doubt in my mind that he knows what other team wants. Probably ownership doesn't want him to go that route. Maybe it is his fault, but there's no way he doesn't know there's interest in his players.

(Now, having said all that, watch the Flames completely overhaul this afternoon and make everything I've said irrelevant).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I know a lot of people are talking about the Flames having one good season, one bad, one good one bad...

But I don't like the odds of this competing next season short of a couple of Pelletier/Zary/Coronato absolutely popping off. Otherwise, this team will simply be older, more expensive, and likely just as inept in terms of skill.

I think we can expect goaltending to return to the mean a bit, and I suppose if the goal is 'make the playoffs and anything can happen', something can happen - but the organization is so far back in terms of skill, I don't think that's something you can fix in one or even two off-seasons.

The theory would be that they will be better because they haven't had go much their way this season and bad goaltending has undermined everything.
The underlying metrics suggest this is a playoff team, though I don't think they are a contending team.
I highly doubt though the team will be brought back in tact.
But I think they are still trying to compete now, which is why we haven't seen deadline deals. They are not interested in futures, which is what Sec214 has pointed out. They are looking for hockey trades and other teams don't want to delete from their roster.

Not the path I would choose, but I think the one they are on.

My fear is that BT is tired of it and will walk. Even if you don't think he's the best GM, I have little confidence that this franchise can recruit a better one.

I think they will promote someone internally or bring someone in in the mold of Jay Feaster, who assures ownership that he can "turn this around" and there is "no need to rebuild"

[Toonage]

Owners love Sutter. He'll get his puppet GM

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The theory would be that they will be better because they haven't had go much their way this season and bad goaltending has undermined everything.
The underlying metrics suggest this is a playoff team, though I don't think they are a contending team.
I highly doubt though the team will be brought back in tact.
But I think they are still trying to compete now, which is why we haven't seen deadline deals. They are not interested in futures, which is what Sec214 has pointed out. They are looking for hockey trades and other teams don't want to delete from their roster.

Not the path I would choose, but I think the one they are on.

My fear is that BT is tired of it and will walk. Even if you don't think he's the best GM, I have little confidence that this franchise can recruit a better one.

I think they will promote someone internally or bring someone in in the mold of Jay Feaster, who assures ownership that he can "turn this around" and there is "no need to rebuild"

You are probably right but this team structurally is so bad that in 24 months the rebuild will happen. It will just involve a few 9th place seasons first before the bottom falls out.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The theory would be that they will be better because they haven't had go much their way this season and bad goaltending has undermined everything.
The underlying metrics suggest this is a playoff team, though I don't think they are a contending team.
I highly doubt though the team will be brought back in tact.
But I think they are still trying to compete now, which is why we haven't seen deadline deals. They are not interested in futures, which is what Sec214 has pointed out. They are looking for hockey trades and other teams don't want to delete from their roster.

Not the path I would choose, but I think the one they are on.

My fear is that BT is tired of it and will walk. Even if you don't think he's the best GM, I have little confidence that this franchise can recruit a better one.

I think they will promote someone internally or bring someone in in the mold of Jay Feaster, who assures ownership that he can "turn this around" and there is "no need to rebuild"

I would have to think Sutter would be heavily involved in the event the team has to hire a new GM. Lombardi's name often comes up and that would make sense.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

There are a lot of bright hockey minds out there, and only 32 NHL GM jobs. Brad Treliving isn't some unicorn manager that I'd fear losing.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631675024976355329

[Toonage]

Ron Francis said the Kraken weren't going to be buying. Might be a smoke screen but he doesn't seem the type

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Ron Francis said the Kraken weren't going to be buying. Might be a smoke screen but he doesn't seem the type

I wonder about that team with Lindholm. Francis drafted Lindy did he not? Would they give up Wright for him? I would have interest in their 2024 1st as well

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631675024976355329

If we're not in the buying mindset - that's one bad mindset down (buying) and one bad mindset left to get rid of (standing pat).

Just get to that 3rd mindset...Sell. Sell. Sell.

[Ashasx]

nm

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Ron Francis said the Kraken weren't going to be buying. Might be a smoke screen but he doesn't seem the type

I think that makes sense for them as they are ahead of schedule and need to keep their picks and prospects as they still have a lot of work to do.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder about that team with Lindholm. Francis drafted Lindy did he not? Would they give up Wright for him? I would have interest in their 2024 1st as well

Oh man that would be wild. Can't see it though.
Lindholm fits a need though. The Kraken are bad on the dot and Lindholm is over 50% I believe

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

There are a lot of bright hockey minds out there, and only 32 NHL GM jobs. Brad Treliving isn't some unicorn manager that I'd fear losing.

Look at this franchises history of GMs and explain to me why you have confidence

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You are probably right but this team structurally is so bad that in 24 months the rebuild will happen. It will just involve a few 9th place seasons first before the bottom falls out.

Oh I agree
The rebuild is coming whether they like it or not
But they are going to be dragged into it kicking and screaming

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by ah123

Is the goal to win a cup, or to maximize revenue each year?

I strongly believe it is the latter, not the former. Making the playoffs every year, keeps interest in the team high (and thus ticket sales). Rebuilding properly (2-4 years process) will empty out the building

I would say they actually are making less money then they would've because they're not setting the team up to make the playoffs consecutively, and have multiple playoff runs.

Do Flames want to continue the one year in, one year out patter, where the season consistently ends in April? Or they want to be like the Penguins and Capitals where they make the playoffs for over 10 years straight? The latter path is much, much more lucrative.

[Canada 02]

FYI, TSN TradeCenter is being streamed by ESPN+ in the US