2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread - Page 651 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Jason14h · 03-31-2025, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

How is 3x5.75 for a 26 year old worse than 4x6M for a 30 year old?

And Calgary also got Suniev.

Shags is 5 years

dino7c · 03-31-2025, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes I did, I addressed Dino getting crapped on for being so positive. How is that personally coming at you? I don't find all your posts always negative so why would that be an attack at you? I think you are seeing something that isn't there. If you thought just because I commented on your post about another poster as me coming after you I apologize.

saying the Flames are an average team...which they are (standings) is being overly positive these days.

Everything I say is statistically backed unlike...well

Yes if the Flames lost their best player they would be much worse!! Would the Oilers have won Saturday without Drai? Would the Canucks have beat the Flames without Hughes? Only Flames fans could turn having the BEST rookie in the league into a bad thing. Best rookie, better than the guy in SJ losing by 7 goals a night.

You guys are insane if you think Wolf won't get this team into the playoffs or steal a round before the Sharks do IMO. This very team was an incredibly unlikely Blues run away from being a playoff team as is.

Sylvanfan · 03-31-2025, 01:16 PM

The Sharks have some nice pieces. But the multiple 5 plus goal losses at the end of the season should raise a red flag. That starts happening too often and you end up being Buffalo as opposed to the team that breaks out of that cycle and becomes a perennial contender.

GioforPM · 03-31-2025, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason14h

Shags is 5 years

Oh, right, Puckpedia's colums are weird. But the point remains. I think it's more likley for Sharky to live up to 5.75 from ages 26-32 than for Toffoli to live up to $6M from ages 30-36 (3 years with full NTCs).

Macho0978 · 03-31-2025, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The Sharks have some nice pieces. But the multiple 5 plus goal losses at the end of the season should raise a red flag. That starts happening too often and you end up being Buffalo as opposed to the team that breaks out of that cycle and becomes a perennial contender.

SJ also had Blackwood and traded him, but they landed Askarov.

Where would the Flames be without Wolf?

Where could SJ be next year with Askarov?

dino7c · 03-31-2025, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Macho0978

SJ also had Blackwood and traded him, but they landed Askarov.

Where would the Flames be without Wolf?

Where could SJ be next year with Askarov?

SJ will suck next year

Sharks just lost 6-1 to the Rangers...Flames just beat them with Vladar. (and I could have probably tended goal that game) Its not just the goalies!

gvitaly · 03-31-2025, 01:20 PM

Not sure if mentioned, but rumours are more fun than the endless bickering. Apparently the Flames are one of the teams trying to sign college free agent G Callum Tung.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906718208792383514

Anyone knows anything about the guy?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906718537521217846

Burning Beard · 03-31-2025, 01:22 PM

The "ownership/management pushing for 8th" narrative is lazy. This is a team that is playing Hanley, Bean and Miromanov in the top 6 on a nightly basis and has the second most cap space. They did not trade draft assets for help on D at the deadline. Kadri has a NMC and wants to be here and be a leader. They have all summer to trade Rasmus.

It seems to me as nothing has changed from the management side during the CC tenure to date. If the team busts their b#lls and pushes for a playoff spot that's just gravy. I understand the rage some feel that they aren't tanking fast and hard enough for their liking, but I don't have a problem with the approach of this management team so far at all. Keep as many picks as possible and draft well.

Macho0978 · 03-31-2025, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

SJ will suck next year

They probably will. But they are way more likely to win in the playoffs in the next few years than the Flames are.

Not all rebuilds workout, but not all fail just because Buffalo failed.

I still think the Flames will walk away from Rasmus this off season when they see the contract demand. This year's higher than expected finish is going to hurt us in a year or 2.

When a guy like Parekh comes into the lineup, I expect issues despite times he will look very promising. SJ is ahead of us and has way more youth in the lineup that gets steamed roll some nights because it's too many young players at once. They will get better very soon, and we will add more youth soon and get worse.

Flames will go down before they go up again.

SuperMatt18 · 03-31-2025, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm certain people felt the same with Buffalo/Eichel

TBH the Sabres should have won with Eichel. They had drafted pretty well in the run up to drafting Eichel. And then used some of those assets to bring in O'Reilly (Zadorov, Compher, Grigorenko) and McGinn.

But at that point they had:

24 year old O'Reilly
24 year old Kane
24 year old M. Foligno
19 year old Reinhart
18 year old Eichel

21 Year Old Jake McCabe
20 year Old Ristolainen

24 Year Old Lehner
22 Year Old Ullmark

Their problems started at that point because they didn't make more moves to try to exit the rebuild, and didn't address their d-core.

In that final season before trading O'Reilly and Kane their d-core was Ristolainen, Scandella, McCabe, Beaulieu, Justin Falk, Casey Nelson, and Josh Gorges....

They took Alex Nylander over Sergachev in the 2016 draft even though they needed d-men which was mistake number 1.

And they should have moved more assets to acquire a d-man...the Buffalo Sabres were probably the team that should have traded for Travis Hamonic in the 2017 offseason...not the Calgary Flames.

Macho0978 · 03-31-2025, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

SJ will suck next year

Sharks just lost 6-1 to the Rangers...Flames just beat them with Vladar. (and I could have probably tended goal that game) Its not just the goalies!

It's not just the goalies, but Blackwood was helping and trading him was a sign they did not look at the playoffs this year at all like you suggested they did when picking up Toffoli.

It's too many young players all at once. You are acting like the Flames are being led but the future and guys like Kadri, Huberdeau, Backlund, Coleman, Rasmus, Weegar aren't a big reason for the success. These guys are vets and been in the league a long time and play good hockey. They won't be here forever and continue at this level forever.

Paulie Walnuts · 03-31-2025, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

More false narative

I know for a FACT the Flames could have signed Lindholm, Zadorov, and Toffoli....they could have kept Markstom for that matter.

Hanifin I will give you

They had a deal done with Hanifin twice.

Lindholm rejected their offer of 8x8.6 and wanted 9.5.

Zadorov and Toffoli got put on the back burner and demanded trades.

They tried to sign Tanev even until the last minute when they traded him.

Now he is talking about moving draft assets to trade for the next group.

dino7c · 03-31-2025, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They had a deal done with Hanifin twice.

Lindholm rejected their offer of 8x8.6 and wanted 9.5.

Zadorov and Toffoli got put on the back burner and demanded trades.

They tried to sign Tanev even until the last minute when they traded him.

Now he is talking about moving draft assets to trade for the next group.

I think your numbers are off with Lindholm
Zadorov and Lindholm were put on the backburner because they wanted retirement contracts

These guys were all traded for futures/younger players

Hanifin would have been a smart signing, didn't work out so they moved him for an unprotected first in two years. They could have got a better current NHLer if it was playoffs at all costs.

Paulie Walnuts · 03-31-2025, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I think your numbers are off with Lindholm
Zadorov and Lindholm were put on the backburner because they wanted retirement contracts

These guys were all traded for futures/younger players

Hanifin would have been a smart signing, didn't work out so they moved him for an unprotected first in two years. They could have got a better current NHLer if it was playoffs at all costs.

No one is trading roster players if they are adding at the deadline.

Let the offseason come and we will see what happens. If you take what was said at the season ticket game he is going free agent shopping, and ready to move draft capital for a center.

A poster here said he heard 8.6M for 8 years was what was offered. Lindholm wanted 9 plus.

SuperMatt18 · 03-31-2025, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I think your numbers are off with Lindholm
Zadorov and Lindholm were put on the backburner because they wanted retirement contracts

These guys were all traded for futures/younger players

Hanifin would have been a smart signing, didn't work out so they moved him for an unprotected first in two years. They could have got a better current NHLer if it was playoffs at all costs.

Yeah I think we have to be careful to quote the asking prices for guys like Lindholm when they were never confirmed.

Lindholm might have turned down $8 x 8...but maybe he didn't maybe all the Flames offered was $7 x 8...we don't know.

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Originally Posted by dino7c

SJ will suck next year

Sharks just lost 6-1 to the Rangers...Flames just beat them with Vladar. (and I could have probably tended goal that game) Its not just the goalies!

Sharks might not suck next year TBH, they kind of intentionally tanked their goaltending by trading Blackwood and keeping Askarov in the AHL this year, but that's likely better next year.

And they are also an attractive UFA destination due to location which could help. I bet they look at adding two big name free agents this offseason - a forward and a d-man.

Forward:
Signed: Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Toffoli, Wennberg, Dellandrea, Goodrow,
Prospects: Musty, Chernyshov, Bystedt, Lund

Defense:
Signed: Vlasic, Ferraro, Liljegren, Desharnais, Thrun, Mukhamadullin
Prospect: Dickinson, Cagnoni

Goalie:
Signed: Askarov

Draft either Misa or Schaefer. Sign a couple free agents (especially a couple d-men) and you're looking at a bubble team probably.

Rhett44 · 03-31-2025, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No one is trading roster players if they are adding at the deadline.

Let the offseason come and we will see what happens. If you take what was said at the season ticket game he is going free agent shopping, and ready to move draft capital for a center.

A poster here said he heard 8.6M for 8 years was what was offered. Lindholm wanted 9 plus.

I heard we offered Lindholm and Hanifin both 8.5 and they turned it down.

It isn't good management, we just got lucky that those players didn't want to play here. We were ready to continue doing what we always do.

Paulie Walnuts · 03-31-2025, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I think we have to be careful to quote the asking prices for guys like Lindholm when they were never confirmed.

Lindholm might have turned down $8 x 8...but maybe he didn't maybe all the Flames offered was $7 x 8...we don't know.

Sharks might not suck next year TBH, they kind of intentionally tanked their goaltending by trading Blackwood and keeping Askarov in the AHL this year, but that's likely better next year.

And they are also an attractive UFA destination due to location which could help. I bet they look at adding two big name free agents this offseason - a forward and a d-man.

Forward:
Signed: Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Toffoli, Wennberg, Dellandrea, Goodrow,
Prospects: Musty, Chernyshov, Bystedt, Lund

Defense:
Signed: Vlasic, Ferraro, Liljegren, Desharnais, Thrun, Mukhamadullin
Prospect: Dickinson, Cagnoni

Goalie:
Signed: Askarov

Draft either Misa or Schaefer. Sign a couple free agents (especially a couple d-men) and you're looking at a bubble team probably.

Pretty sure a poster said 8x8.6 turned was offered.

We know Hanifin was 7.25M forget if it was 7 or 8. It was confirmed by LeBrun and other Flames people. He walked away twice from it.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/noah-hanifin-...lace-1.2042653

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ision-to-make/

Robbob · 03-31-2025, 01:51 PM

If you remember the barnburner interview after the trade went down, Conroy said he knew where things stood from Lindholm's camp September early October and the trade was going to happen, it was just trying to maximize it. All the talk about contract talks during the seasons sounds like posturing to get people to pay up.

Paulie Walnuts · 03-31-2025, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

If you remember the barnburner interview after the trade went down, Conroy said he knew where things stood from Lindholm's camp September early October and the trade was going to happen, it was just trying to maximize it. All the talk about contract talks during the seasons sounds like posturing to get people to pay up.

This is true as well. He knew he was trading him at that point, but it doesn't change the fact they tried to sign him to an ugly contract.

Robbob · 03-31-2025, 02:01 PM

I can understand trying to get Hanifin locked up long term. A 7ish cap hit isn't bad and worth the offer. With him signed they probably would be more likely to trade Andersson.

The Lindholm one I think is a bullet dodged, especially with what he received for him.