2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[saillias]

Anyone expecting a bounceback just because of Sutter removal was being kind of lazy I think. Lots of guys had career years last year too. Plus I'm not convinced Conroy actually wanted a bounce back. He's managing like a GM who wants to tank IMO. No PTOs or UFAs, preference to callups and prospects, telling guys they're not in the plans and shipping them out.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one thought they were a juggernaut but a large percentage were predicting bounce back seasons from everyone, playoffs, and anything can happen if we get in, look at Florida, this team could win a round or two. There were plenty of posters claiming the Flames were to good to rebuild. Last season was all Sutters fault this is a good hockey team. I get it, the "I told you so" posts are annoying, but if this team was leading the division right now, I'm sure this board would be filled with I told you so posts going the other way.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

68% of people thought this was a playoff team, 23% felt that they were a contender. As flawed as this Poll is, there are a contingent of fans who felt that this team had an open window for success. That said, I don't think that anyone thinks so anymore.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=193580

That's pretty much all I meant. I'm not sure why Jiri put his own spin on it once again. Last year and the year before a lot of posters really felt those pushing for a rebuild were out to lunch. I'm not patting myself on the back in this case. Rather I'm happy the majority of CP are on the band to rebuild. Even if I were to self pat (which I'm not in this case), I'm not sure what's with the spin. As a mod I'd expect more responsible spins, but I understand the MO.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That's pretty much all I meant. I'm not sure why Jiri put his own spin on it once again. Last year and the year before a lot of posters really felt those pushing for a rebuild were out to lunch. I'm not patting myself on the back in this case. Rather I'm happy the majority of CP are on the band to rebuild. Even if I were to self pat (which I'm not in this case), I'm not sure what's with the spin. As a mod I'd expect more responsible spins, but I understand the MO.

He ain't a mod

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by chummer

He ain't a mod

From the attempted ignore:

Sorry Jiri Hrdina is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by chummer

He ain't a mod

Where do you find the list of mods these days anyways?

[bigrangy]

It was easy to see the Flames as a bounceback team this year. Huberdeau went from top 10 scorer to afterthought middle-sixer and Markstrom went from Vezina candidate to bottom 5 starter. If both of those turned around and they played anywhere near their historical abilities, this team would be doing some damage.

Unfortunately, both seem to be absolutely cooked and have actually gotten even worse than their already bad 2022-2023. Nobody is scoring and the team can't stop pucks, not a recipe for winning.

[Sandman]

Am I the only one who’s actually impressed by the way the team is playing? Sure, they haven’t been the best in the standings, but they’ve put together a few streaks- and they look much more happy and energetic. This is a team playing a bit of a different system, and they still might be learning to a certain degree. I really thought they would come out of the gate looking sloppy and disorganized, but I see a system there that will work in time. I have some faith now in Huska as a coach, and I see the light at the end of the tunnel in the future.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one thought they were a juggernaut but a large percentage were predicting bounce back seasons from everyone, playoffs, and anything can happen if we get in, look at Florida, this team could win a round or two. There were plenty of posters claiming the Flames were to good to rebuild. Last season was all Sutters fault this is a good hockey team. I get it, the "I told you so" posts are annoying, but if this team was leading the division right now, I'm sure this board would be filled with I told you so posts going the other way.

That’s a far cry than thinking they are elite
I think most understood this team was middle of the road at best but I find it hard to fault them for hoping for something better
You care far more about being “right” than I do I guess.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bluejays

From the attempted ignore:

I’m not a mod
Haven’t been for years
Not sure why it’s doing that

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That's pretty much all I meant. I'm not sure why Jiri put his own spin on it once again. Last year and the year before a lot of posters really felt those pushing for a rebuild were out to lunch. I'm not patting myself on the back in this case. Rather I'm happy the majority of CP are on the band to rebuild. Even if I were to self pat (which I'm not in this case), I'm not sure what's with the spin. As a mod I'd expect more responsible spins, but I understand the MO.

No this is not accurate
Most have wanted a rebuild. Some accepted it wasn’t happening.
Accepting isn’t the same as agreeing

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

68% of people thought this was a playoff team, 23% felt that they were a contender. As flawed as this Poll is, there are a contingent of fans who felt that this team had an open window for success. That said, I don't think that anyone thinks so anymore.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=193580

Also quite a bit different than thinking they were elite
A bounce back wasn’t an unreasonable thing to expect given all the things that went wrong last year

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stang

Taking all the bias out.

What would a realistic Markstrom for Campbell trade look like?

Edit: I know it won’t happen, just for fun.

I'll take a serious crack at this...

The hardest part is determining the cost of dumping Campbell - rarely to pure cap dumps have 3 years left, after this one. So it's a big dump, and difficult to put a price on. My first reaction is to say that is worth 2 1sts ($5M for ONE yr is worth a 1st). However, I don't recall any cap dump getting 2 1sts or more. So let's say a 1st and a 2nd.

Next - what is Markstrom worth? Again, difficult, and there would be a very wide range of opinions on this. IMO, he should be valued as a good (but not great) starter. With 2 more years after this one. That is probably a 1st and a good or decent prospect. However, at $6M, he is fully priced, and therefore not worth nearly as much - let's say a 2nd and a mid prospect (or 2nd and a 3rd or 4th)

Then there would be retention. If Campbell uses up $3.8M of space, then the obvious answer is to retain $2M on Markstrom. That is probably worth a 3rd. Or you include Foegele.

Putting that all together, you get:

1st + 2nd
2nd + 3rd
3rd

Substitute Holloway for the 2nd + 3rd, and you get:

Holloway + 1st, 2nd and 3rd

Beyond the 'we need to fleece them' viewpoint, and more importantly, the '#### Edmonton' viewpoint, I think that's a pretty reasonable trade. Edmonton has to think their win-now window is significantly solidified with the addition of Markstrom. And Calgary gets a pretty good rebuild-haul for providing it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Am I the only one who’s actually impressed by the way the team is playing? Sure, they haven’t been the best in the standings, but they’ve put together a few streaks- and they look much more happy and energetic. This is a team playing a bit of a different system, and they still might be learning to a certain degree. I really thought they would come out of the gate looking sloppy and disorganized, but I see a system there that will work in time. I have some faith now in Huska as a coach, and I see the light at the end of the tunnel in the future.

Other than the frequent and egregious giveaways, I agree.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Also quite a bit different than thinking they were elite
A bounce back wasn’t an unreasonable thing to expect given all the things that went wrong last year

If you wanted to split hairs sure. I think we could just simplify the argument.

1. should the team rebuild now and sell hard
2. should the team try and make the play offs

2 was a large majority in the summer.

[Enoch Root]

More on a Campbell trade...

I said taking his contract would cost a 1st and a 2nd.

Another way to look at it is - what is the buyout cost? Because if a buyout is less painful than a trade, you just buy him out. So that is the floor for his cost.

A Campbell buyout would cost $10M, over 6 years. Again, we know that a cap dump of $5-6M is worth a 1st. So $10M is probably a 1st and a 2nd

(which agrees / confirms with what was written above)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Am I the only one who’s actually impressed by the way the team is playing? Sure, they haven’t been the best in the standings, but they’ve put together a few streaks- and they look much more happy and energetic. This is a team playing a bit of a different system, and they still might be learning to a certain degree. I really thought they would come out of the gate looking sloppy and disorganized, but I see a system there that will work in time. I have some faith now in Huska as a coach, and I see the light at the end of the tunnel in the future.

The youth injection means less expectations and the product doesn't feel stale. You can literally see hope for the future on the ice every night. Makes a difference I think.

Al Conny has to do now is commit to moving the UFAs and bring more youth in.

[Blaster86]

Jiri is a mod in my heart.


Edit - Also, he probably has mod powers turned on for the CPHL forum, so the entire forum recognizes him as a mod.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I’m not a mod
Haven’t been for years
Not sure why it’s doing that

Years? Feels more like weeks.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If you wanted to split hairs sure. I think we could just simplify the argument.

1. should the team rebuild now and sell hard
2. should the team try and make the play offs

2 was a large majority in the summer.

I disagree
Most wanted a rebuild
The split was between those that accepted the team wasn’t going to do that and those that wouldn’t accept that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Jiri is a mod in my heart.


Edit - Also, he probably has mod powers turned on for the CPHL forum, so the entire forum recognizes him as a mod.

Ah that’s exactly what it is