Sadly my guess is the decompression would have killed them pretty well instantly when the missile hit
They weren't in space. If they didn't get knocked out from the impact, they'd likely pass out from the lower oxygen levels, but not immediately. It would have been incredibly chaotic with people and stuff flying everywhere, and then...smoosh. Probable they wouldn't have time to stand up with a fist raised to the air(or ground) yelling Puuuutin! They'd have been too confused.
Hard to say for sure. I was listening to new reports about it and they said that to people investigating, it appeared that when the plane was going down, it was missing a wing, but everything else was intact. It wasn't completely shredded like you would expect with a direct hit.
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Most missiles don't get direct hits, they have proximity fusing and explode when they detect they're within a certain distance to a target. Getting alongside and blowing up, shredding the wing is fairly normal
Most missiles don't get direct hits, they have proximity fusing and explode when they detect they're within a certain distance to a target. Getting alongside and blowing up, shredding the wing is fairly normal
The news I had heard was that it wasn't a missile, so must have been a bomb on board, suspected in a wheel well.
Multiple reports from mainstream sources that Ukraine has broken through the frontlines in a significant matter. To be clear, there are 3 major defensive lines built by Russia with the 2nd one being the one with the tougher defenses, but the 2nd one isn't manned like the first and is likely to fall without the troops available to support it.
It's also giving us insane videos like this one as approval starts being given of some videos that occurred on the frontlines.
Although a lot of people were convinced something like this would happen to Prigozhin, does this mean that Putin has been able to re-install as much control and uniformity as before?
Russia isn’t a coherent, unified state in the way Canada or the UK are. It’s closer to a feudal or mafiaso regime. Putin’s power comes from dispersing authority among various competing factions, oligarchs, and generals so none of them become pre-eminent. And in ensuring he remains the indispensable head broker of these competing interests. One of the reasons Putin raised Prigozhin up in the first place was as a deliberate counterbalance to the Ministry of Defence. But from his increasingly isolated position, he no longer has a clear picture of what those lieutenants are up to. The fact the Wagner rebellion caught him by surprise shows just how out of touch Putin has become.
Putin doesn’t have an iron grip on the country. His regime - a seething, fractious pack of self-interested rivals - has an iron grip on the country. And those rivals are playing their own power games against one another in what’s becoming open hostility.
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Multiple reports from mainstream sources that Ukraine has broken through the frontlines in a significant matter. To be clear, there are 3 major defensive lines built by Russia with the 2nd one being the one with the tougher defenses, but the 2nd one isn't manned like the first and is likely to fall without the troops available to support it.
It's also giving us insane videos like this one as approval starts being given of some videos that occurred on the frontlines.
Interesting take on the Prigozhin saga. The timeline kind of sheds light on the situation making it less likely this was revenge for the mutiny (though it was also that), but more that it was a hostile takeover.
As others have posted, Russia is less a modern cohesive administrative nation and more a Mafia network. Wagner had been taking up too much air and gaining too much power in Africa for Putin to continue to allow. Prigozhin didn't like the directive to submit Wagner to the military and blamed it on Shoigu, but it's more likely this was directly aimed at Wagner becoming too big for Putin to allow. Wagner was negotiating alone in Africa and acting like a kingmaker in propping up coups. His time in the barrel was coming with or without the mutiny. He could see it coming
Fast forward Prigozhin tries to fight back and realizes it isn't going to work and now his plane malfunctions.
