Flames and Canucks in on Rossi?

[Toonage]

But to allegedly say they aren't looking for much? I don't buy that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

But to allegedly say they aren't looking for much? I don't buy that.

I mean they’ll be looking for the best they can get but they are running out of time unless they just want to sign him. Not much to me just means that he will go cheaper than a center with his stats usually would

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I mean they’ll be looking for the best they can get but they are running out of time unless they just want to sign him. Not much to me just means that he will go cheaper than a center with his stats usually would

Running out of time how? They have complete control. He is a RFA. They have already tried to sign him, hell they have an offer tabled right now. I am not buying the Wild even want to move him, everything points to negotiation tactics here. I think they would consider it if they get the right return but it sure as hell is not going to be low or giving him away prices. Someone can sign him to an offer sheet but unless they go over 6M aav that just plays into the Wild's hands and they get him for the deal they wanted him on anyhow. Kind of reminds me of Necas first extension with the Canes where all the talk was he was being moved for sure and the Canes didn't want him. Then he signed.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

60+ point talent for what could be a palatable cost? Why not.

Small Stankoven was a big factor for the Canes down the stretch and playoffs.

Stature matters but if you're not relying on those players to be your catalyst then they can be valuable pieces to a team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Really?

Is that because you think that Honzek will be better than a 24G, 60P centre at the NHL level? Or do you think that Rossi will be overpaid here, making $7M, and not create enough offence playing for the Flames?

Or is it the late 1st? The last impact player selected 32nd overall was Derek Roy in 2001. The only decent players drafted since 1995 besides Roy were Pinto, Samuelsson, and Bolland.

We'll get the 32nd pick, but players drafted with the 31st overall in the last 30 years: Markstrom, that's it... HM: Pitlick, Laraque, Brendan Lemiux, Klim Kostin.

As Bonded said, I am not as big on Rossi as others are. More importantly, I don't think spending significant assets on Rossi is the best plan (again, as Bonded reiterated).

Also, yes, I do like Honzek. Do I think he'll become a 60 pt/yr guy? Probably not, probably more like a 40-50 pt guy. But he also has size and speed.

And yes 32nd overall probably doesn't get you a 60 pt guy, but it might. I would rather have the 2 younger assets than Rossi.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

As Bonded said, I am not as big on Rossi as others are. More importantly, I don't think spending significant assets on Rossi is the best plan (again, as Bonded reiterated).

Also, yes, I do like Honzek. Do I think he'll become a 60 pt/yr guy? Probably not, probably more like a 40-50 pt guy. But he also has size and speed.

And yes 32nd overall probably doesn't get you a 60 pt guy, but it might. I would rather have the 2 younger assets than Rossi.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It just seems that the Flames are in a great position to attempt turning multiple assets, into 1 quality asset, which doesn't have to be Rossi. I also don't think that lossing Honzek would be a huge loss for the organization thanks to the depth the Flames have accumulated, similar to when we traded Pelts.

PS: If the intention is a slow rebuild, and keeping all future assets, I support that as well, it just didn't quite sound like it was the intention at the year end interviews.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It just seems that the Flames are in a great position to attempt turning multiple assets, into 1 quality asset, which doesn't have to be Rossi. I also don't think that lossing Honzek would be a huge loss for the organization thanks to the depth the Flames have accumulated, similar to when we traded Pelts.

PS: If the intention is a slow rebuild, and keeping all future assets, I support that as well, it just didn't quite sound like it was the intention at the year end interviews.

Do these really happen any more? Every time a team trades a great player for multiple assets, it turns out badly.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do these really happen any more? Every time a team trades a great player for multiple assets, it turns out badly.

You could argue Tkachuk was a deal like that. And Lindros for sure.

I don’t think that’s the deal we need to make at this point in our cycle. When I hear Conny might be looking to move up, I’m nervous. I think we can still get quality players with our picks as they currently stand, and if Andersson can get us another pick in the first round, so be it.

We have multiple first round picks in 2026 and we don’t know where we will land in draft order for this draft. We are due for some luck so maybe we will land a high pick. I think we should hold where we are right now and if we can get another first in an Andersson trade, use the pick to accumulate young players who could develop into top 6F/top 4 D. Let’s hope Cam Robinson is right and Seravalli is wrong in what they are hearing.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do these really happen any more? Every time a team trades a great player for multiple assets, it turns out badly.

I think they still do, but it depends on your definition of great players. Here are some pretty good players that were traded in the last couple of seasons for various packages:

• Sergachev was traded for Geekie + Moser + 2nd + 7th. I think TBL did well here.
• Ullmark was traded for Kastelic + Korpisalo + 1st(25th overall, Letourneau)
• Rantanen was just traded twice.
• Both J.T Miller and Horvat were traded for multiple assets.
• Hronek was a great get for the Canucks for a 1st(17th overall, Sandin Pellikka) and a 2nd.
• WSH just got Chychrun for Jensen and a 3rd last offseason.
• LAK got PLD for Kupari, Vilardi, Iafallo, and a 2nd. WPG is the clear winner here as well.

[Hockey_Ninja]

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[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It just seems that the Flames are in a great position to attempt turning multiple assets, into 1 quality asset, which doesn't have to be Rossi. I also don't think that lossing Honzek would be a huge loss for the organization thanks to the depth the Flames have accumulated, similar to when we traded Pelts.

PS: If the intention is a slow rebuild, and keeping all future assets, I support that as well, it just didn't quite sound like it was the intention at the year end interviews.

I am all for quantity for quality trades, but 1) it may be early for that, and 2) I don't think Rossi is the guy to do it on.

I want to see the Flames remain patient, and continue to accrue assets - wwhich has the added benefit of making their picks in 26 and 27 more valuable

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think they still do, but it depends on your definition of great players. Here are some pretty good players that were traded in the last couple of seasons for various packages:

• Sergachev was traded for Geekie + Moser + 2nd + 7th. I think TBL did well here.
• Ullmark was traded for Kastelic + Korpisalo + 1st(25th overall, Letourneau)
• Rantanen was just traded twice.
• Both J.T Miller and Horvat were traded for multiple assets.
• Hronek was a great get for the Canucks for a 1st(17th overall, Sandin Pellikka) and a 2nd.
• WSH just got Chychrun for Jensen and a 3rd last offseason.
• LAK got PLD for Kupari, Vilardi, Iafallo, and a 2nd. WPG is the clear winner here as well.

I guess those are sort of examples, but I think the discussion was about higher end talent than PLD, Segachev, Horvat or even Miller. You could argue Rantanen but that trade didn't work out that well for either team.

Thinking more of a Thornton type deal. The point I'm making is that GMs are leery of the "we got lots of assets" move more and more because it doesn't work out very often.