Flames and Canucks in on Rossi?

[Toonage]

But to allegedly say they aren't looking for much? I don't buy that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

But to allegedly say they aren't looking for much? I don't buy that.

I mean they’ll be looking for the best they can get but they are running out of time unless they just want to sign him. Not much to me just means that he will go cheaper than a center with his stats usually would

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I mean they’ll be looking for the best they can get but they are running out of time unless they just want to sign him. Not much to me just means that he will go cheaper than a center with his stats usually would

Running out of time how? They have complete control. He is a RFA. They have already tried to sign him, hell they have an offer tabled right now. I am not buying the Wild even want to move him, everything points to negotiation tactics here. I think they would consider it if they get the right return but it sure as hell is not going to be low or giving him away prices. Someone can sign him to an offer sheet but unless they go over 6M aav that just plays into the Wild's hands and they get him for the deal they wanted him on anyhow. Kind of reminds me of Necas first extension with the Canes where all the talk was he was being moved for sure and the Canes didn't want him. Then he signed.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

60+ point talent for what could be a palatable cost? Why not.

Small Stankoven was a big factor for the Canes down the stretch and playoffs.

Stature matters but if you're not relying on those players to be your catalyst then they can be valuable pieces to a team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Really?

Is that because you think that Honzek will be better than a 24G, 60P centre at the NHL level? Or do you think that Rossi will be overpaid here, making $7M, and not create enough offence playing for the Flames?

Or is it the late 1st? The last impact player selected 32nd overall was Derek Roy in 2001. The only decent players drafted since 1995 besides Roy were Pinto, Samuelsson, and Bolland.

We'll get the 32nd pick, but players drafted with the 31st overall in the last 30 years: Markstrom, that's it... HM: Pitlick, Laraque, Brendan Lemiux, Klim Kostin.

As Bonded said, I am not as big on Rossi as others are. More importantly, I don't think spending significant assets on Rossi is the best plan (again, as Bonded reiterated).

Also, yes, I do like Honzek. Do I think he'll become a 60 pt/yr guy? Probably not, probably more like a 40-50 pt guy. But he also has size and speed.

And yes 32nd overall probably doesn't get you a 60 pt guy, but it might. I would rather have the 2 younger assets than Rossi.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

As Bonded said, I am not as big on Rossi as others are. More importantly, I don't think spending significant assets on Rossi is the best plan (again, as Bonded reiterated).

Also, yes, I do like Honzek. Do I think he'll become a 60 pt/yr guy? Probably not, probably more like a 40-50 pt guy. But he also has size and speed.

And yes 32nd overall probably doesn't get you a 60 pt guy, but it might. I would rather have the 2 younger assets than Rossi.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It just seems that the Flames are in a great position to attempt turning multiple assets, into 1 quality asset, which doesn't have to be Rossi. I also don't think that lossing Honzek would be a huge loss for the organization thanks to the depth the Flames have accumulated, similar to when we traded Pelts.

PS: If the intention is a slow rebuild, and keeping all future assets, I support that as well, it just didn't quite sound like it was the intention at the year end interviews.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It just seems that the Flames are in a great position to attempt turning multiple assets, into 1 quality asset, which doesn't have to be Rossi. I also don't think that lossing Honzek would be a huge loss for the organization thanks to the depth the Flames have accumulated, similar to when we traded Pelts.

PS: If the intention is a slow rebuild, and keeping all future assets, I support that as well, it just didn't quite sound like it was the intention at the year end interviews.

Do these really happen any more? Every time a team trades a great player for multiple assets, it turns out badly.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do these really happen any more? Every time a team trades a great player for multiple assets, it turns out badly.

You could argue Tkachuk was a deal like that. And Lindros for sure.

I don’t think that’s the deal we need to make at this point in our cycle. When I hear Conny might be looking to move up, I’m nervous. I think we can still get quality players with our picks as they currently stand, and if Andersson can get us another pick in the first round, so be it.

We have multiple first round picks in 2026 and we don’t know where we will land in draft order for this draft. We are due for some luck so maybe we will land a high pick. I think we should hold where we are right now and if we can get another first in an Andersson trade, use the pick to accumulate young players who could develop into top 6F/top 4 D. Let’s hope Cam Robinson is right and Seravalli is wrong in what they are hearing.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do these really happen any more? Every time a team trades a great player for multiple assets, it turns out badly.

I think they still do, but it depends on your definition of great players. Here are some pretty good players that were traded in the last couple of seasons for various packages:

• Sergachev was traded for Geekie + Moser + 2nd + 7th. I think TBL did well here.
• Ullmark was traded for Kastelic + Korpisalo + 1st(25th overall, Letourneau)
• Rantanen was just traded twice.
• Both J.T Miller and Horvat were traded for multiple assets.
• Hronek was a great get for the Canucks for a 1st(17th overall, Sandin Pellikka) and a 2nd.
• WSH just got Chychrun for Jensen and a 3rd last offseason.
• LAK got PLD for Kupari, Vilardi, Iafallo, and a 2nd. WPG is the clear winner here as well.

[Hockey_Ninja]

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[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

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That's not what my email says you said! It was hate speech! It was illegal! Send this man to the gulag!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. It just seems that the Flames are in a great position to attempt turning multiple assets, into 1 quality asset, which doesn't have to be Rossi. I also don't think that lossing Honzek would be a huge loss for the organization thanks to the depth the Flames have accumulated, similar to when we traded Pelts.

PS: If the intention is a slow rebuild, and keeping all future assets, I support that as well, it just didn't quite sound like it was the intention at the year end interviews.

I am all for quantity for quality trades, but 1) it may be early for that, and 2) I don't think Rossi is the guy to do it on.

I want to see the Flames remain patient, and continue to accrue assets - wwhich has the added benefit of making their picks in 26 and 27 more valuable

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think they still do, but it depends on your definition of great players. Here are some pretty good players that were traded in the last couple of seasons for various packages:

• Sergachev was traded for Geekie + Moser + 2nd + 7th. I think TBL did well here.
• Ullmark was traded for Kastelic + Korpisalo + 1st(25th overall, Letourneau)
• Rantanen was just traded twice.
• Both J.T Miller and Horvat were traded for multiple assets.
• Hronek was a great get for the Canucks for a 1st(17th overall, Sandin Pellikka) and a 2nd.
• WSH just got Chychrun for Jensen and a 3rd last offseason.
• LAK got PLD for Kupari, Vilardi, Iafallo, and a 2nd. WPG is the clear winner here as well.

I guess those are sort of examples, but I think the discussion was about higher end talent than PLD, Segachev, Horvat or even Miller. You could argue Rantanen but that trade didn't work out that well for either team.

Thinking more of a Thornton type deal. The point I'm making is that GMs are leery of the "we got lots of assets" move more and more because it doesn't work out very often.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

As Bonded said, I am not as big on Rossi as others are. More importantly, I don't think spending significant assets on Rossi is the best plan (again, as Bonded reiterated).

Also, yes, I do like Honzek. Do I think he'll become a 60 pt/yr guy? Probably not, probably more like a 40-50 pt guy. But he also has size and speed.

And yes 32nd overall probably doesn't get you a 60 pt guy, but it might. I would rather have the 2 younger assets than Rossi.

To me Rossi has the upside of at least a top 5-10 overall pick. I don't understand the logic in people wanting to sell the farm to move up and grab a top 10 pick this year, when a slightly more developed version like Rossi may be available for less.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by blankall

To me Rossi has the upside of at least a top 5-10 overall pick. I don't understand the logic in people wanting to sell the farm to move up and grab a top 10 pick this year, when a slightly more developed version like Rossi may be available for less.

Trading 32 for Rossi is a huge upgrade in your assets. If the Flames aren't planning a tank this season, adding a player like Rossi for a pick that has a 6% chance of being as good as Rossi is one of the best ways to improve your organizations depth.

Sure, the late 1st has a chance at being better than a 60-point guy, but so does Rossi.

The only part that does not make sense making this trade is if the Flames plan to pick high in the draft. If that is the plan, wait. Unless you counter the add by trading Ras, Kadri and Coleman for picks, then you can still get a top pick and make a trade that dramatically improves your team, with way less risk you get nothing out of 32. Out of 151 picks from 21 to end of 1st round(0 years with 32 teams) from the 2004 to 2018 drafts the following players were taken that are Rossi or better.

Pastrnak
M Green
Theodore
Oettinger
T Rask
Giroux
J Carlson
Konecny
T Thompson

9 guys that includes picks starting at 21 OV. That includes strong drafts, weak drafts, all drafts. 6% isn't very good. We can sit around a pray for a Pastrnak for years and never get him.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Rossi is too small. The Flames need to be cognizant of that now we are leaning on the smaller side and soft.

You can look at the 1 centers on the previous champs all big and gritty minus Point but he is thick gritty and fast.

Most site have Point listed at 175lbs, could be wrong but Rossi is 192lbs on Elite prospects. Nearly 200lbs at 5 foot 9 is pretty thick IMO

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Most site have Point listed at 175lbs, could be wrong but Rossi is 192lbs on Elite prospects. Nearly 200lbs at 5 foot 9 is pretty thick IMO

The boy is a fire hydrant.

[Royle9]

Vancouver still the front runner, and it sounds like MTL might be in the mix as well.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Vancouver still the front runner, and it sounds like MTL might be in the mix as well.

This to me makes it sound like Van pick 15, MTL 16 or 17, and Flames pick 18 (if they are indeed interested) would be the starting points, and it may come down to minnesotas preference on prospects added.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

To me Rossi has the upside of at least a top 5-10 overall pick. I don't understand the logic in people wanting to sell the farm to move up and grab a top 10 pick this year, when a slightly more developed version like Rossi may be available for less.

I get people wanting to hold out for someone more ideal in the size department (or just wanting to tank), but you're right, Rossi would almost certainly be better than anything you could hope for to draft at #18. From a strictly asset management perspective, if the 18th pick is the best asset you are giving up in the trade, then you're probably coming out ahead overall. When it comes to centers on the trade market, I doubt you'll do much better.