If you’re out there protesting today, good on you. Just please keep in mind the amount of good the service does, and consider the ratio of bad/good police
I think a better way of looking at good vs bad cops is to look at training of the force as a whole. I don't excuse bad cops for doing bad things and I don't worship good cops for doing good things. Generalities emerge when you look at what training mandates from entire forces.
A huge amount of people marching down 1st street turned onto 6th Ave east.
I'd estimate 3000 - 4000 easy.
Take the protest and its purpose out of the equation entirely and it is majorly concerning that social distancing and enforcing it is pretty much out the window. These gatherings could easily turn what was all but snuffed out for now back into another mass outbreak in our city. I have yet to see much of any mention of concern over this. Local protests up until now had been pretty good at honouring the distancing but now, it looks like it is complete chaos and is really quite shameful considering what society has been going through to not at least attempt to abide by or enforce these restrictions.
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Take the protest and its purpose out of the equation entirely and it is majorly concerning that social distancing and enforcing it is pretty much out the window. These gatherings could easily turn what was all but snuffed out for now back into another mass outbreak in our city. I have yet to see much of any mention of concern over this. Local protests up until now had been pretty good at honouring the distancing but now, it looks like it is complete chaos and is really quite shameful considering what society has been going through to not at least attempt to abide by or enforce these restrictions.
What's shameful is posters like yourself trying deflect attention away from a vital cause.
And no 5% of the population being 36% of the shooting deaths isn't proof of anything, right? Give me a ####ing break.
People like you are a big part of the problem.
Really?
And yes that data doesn't directly mean police racism for people who live in the real world. RCMP aren't just out there looking to shoot aboriginal people at a higher rate. Ever been to a reservation?
Aboriginal people are 4x more likely to commit a violent crime and 4x more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. Same with drugs and alcohol abuse in those communities. There are multiple factors including socioeconomic factors that can be linked to racism and a vicious cycle of poverty. But to say the RCMP is just out there shooting aboriginals at a higher rate because they are racist is WRONG.
IF you are more likely to be involved in a violent crime or drug abuse you are more likely to be in that situation. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Its the same thing as if you grow up in a bad/poor neighborhood.
Now are some police stereotyping aboriginals because of past interactions? Yes I'm sure they are and that is wrong but you can't just say police are shooting them because racism based on those numbers alone. I guarantee you white people from poorer neighborhoods are far more likely to be shot by police then those in the suburbs.
And now to totally blow your ####ing mind my father is aboriginal making me you guessed it, aboriginal
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What's shameful is posters like yourself trying deflect attention away from a vital cause.
Give your head a shake. The cause has all the attention in the world and there is no reason people in our city cannot conduct this in a large field where everyone can spread out and be smart about it. You can guarantee you'd still have all the media there and it would make no difference to the effectiveness. Potentially needlessly exposing thousands of Calgarians to a few remaining infected protesters is disgraceful.
This should righfully get the entire city put back into pre-pahse 1 restrictions to prevent any further spread as a result of this.
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I like a lot of what you're saying here. Can you all please give me some links to organizations to support? I have some money that I would like to commit to this today
If you're interested in helping related to what's going on in the US, some organizations you might think of supporting are Black Lives Matter (which also has Canadian chapters), Campaign Zero, and the National Police Accountability Project. There are GoFundMe drives supporting the families of George Floyd and others, which is another option. You could support the Collective Opposed to Police Brutality out of Montreal, if you wanted (but they aren't registered and are fairly controversial, I am solely presenting them as an example).
Outside of that, it really depends on where and how you want to direct your money. Do you want to give to bail funds for protestors? Plenty of region specific options there. Do you want to focus more on local issues? First Nations issues? The options are somewhat endless.
Basically, do your research and give to an organization you believe in and are passionate about, because I think that's the best way to ensure some sustainability with your support. You said you were going to the protest to support your friends who are POC, so it could even be as simple as asking them if there are specific organizations they really support and believe in if you arent that sure in deciding yourself.
And yes that data doesn't directly mean police racism for people who live in the real world. RCMP aren't just out there looking to shoot aboriginal people at a higher rate. Ever been to a reservation?
Aboriginal people are 4x more likely to commit a violent crime and 4x more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. Same with drugs and alcohol abuse in those communities. There are multiple factors including socioeconomic factors that can be linked to racism and a vicious cycle of poverty. But to say the RCMP is just out there shooting aboriginals at a higher rate because they are racist is WRONG.
IF you are more likely to be involved in a violent crime or drug abuse you are more likely to be in that situation. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Its the same thing as if you grow up in a bad/poor neighborhood.
Now are some police stereotyping aboriginals because of past interactions? Yes I'm sure they are and that is wrong but you can't just say police are shooting them because racism based on those numbers alone. I guarantee you white people from poorer neighborhoods are far more likely to be shot by police then those in the suburbs.
Claiming it has nothing to do with race is a completely and utterly wrong. All you are doing is ignoring the problems and making excuses. Other factors are at play, but to claim race isn't a factor is bull####. Turning a blind eye to these problems is almost as bad as those doing it.
And yes that data doesn't directly mean police racism for people who live in the real world. RCMP aren't just out there looking to shoot aboriginal people at a higher rate. Ever been to a reservation?
Aboriginal people are 4x more likely to commit a violent crime and 4x more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. Same with drugs and alcohol abuse in those communities. There are multiple factors including socioeconomic factors that can be linked to racism and a vicious cycle of poverty. But to say the RCMP is just out there shooting aboriginals at a higher rate because they are racist is WRONG.
IF you are more likely to be involved in a violent crime or drug abuse you are more likely to be in that situation. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Its the same thing as if you grow up in a bad/poor neighborhood.
Now are some police stereotyping aboriginals because of past interactions? Yes I'm sure they are and that is wrong but you can't just say police are shooting them because racism based on those numbers alone. I guarantee you white people from poorer neighborhoods are far more likely to be shot by police then those in the suburbs.
And now to totally blow your ####ing mind my father is aboriginal making me you guessed it, aboriginal
I would disagree some here, the reason natives are charged 4 times more than white kids is partly because the system focuses on native/poor offenders more, the downtown eastside is heavily policed compared with a park on the west side where the white kids gather to drink and get a bit rowdy, the VPD will give the white kids a mouthful and send them home, where as they will just arrest on the DTES.
It isn't overt racism so much as just an expectation that natives are troubled and so need to be contained
I know all four involved officers have been fired and the one with his knee on the victim's neck has been charged. It seems to me, and I know very little about it, but wouldn't the cop kneeling on his back be every bit as guilty of contributing if that is the finding?
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Claiming it has nothing to do with race is a completely and utterly wrong. All you are doing is ignoring the problems and making excuses. Other factors are at play, but to claim race isn't a factor is bull####. Turning a blind eye to these problems is almost as bad as those doing it.
If a certain group is more likely to commit a crime they are more likely to end up in prison or in a bad situation with police.
There is racism by the RCMP for sure but it doesn't totally correlate with the way the data as its being presented.
As to why aboriginal people are far more likely to commit a crime or abuse drugs is a whole other can of worms and certainly systematic racism there. Like I said any group in the cycle of poverty is more likely to be shot by police.
Anyway if you want to put your money where your mouth is I would recommend
I know all four involved officers have been fired and the one with his knee on the victim's neck has been charged. It seems to me, and I know very little about it, but wouldn't the cop kneeling on his back be every bit as guilty of contributing if that is the finding?
Yeah that's exactly what the family lawyer said that the autopsy indicated. The other two added to the decline in blood flow. I was wondering if there may be a felony murder statute in Minnesota but I don't know if that would be applicable or not.
It has nothing to do with the color of their skin.
That's a relatively hot take coming from an aboriginal given that Canadian police dislike you far more than they dislike us, and I've had a pretty rough go of it. Maybe I should stay home.
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Yeah that's exactly what the family lawyer said that the autopsy indicated. The other two added to the decline in blood flow.
They're working on and "anticipate" charges against them, so we'll just have to wait out. This is a more realistic timeline, Chauvin only was charged right away to stop the country from burning. All three have pleaded the fifth.
If a certain group is more likely to commit a crime they are more likely to end up in prison or in a bad situation with police.
There is racism by the RCMP for sure but it doesn't totally correlate with the way the data as its being presented.
As to why aboriginal people are far more likely to commit a crime or abuse drugs is a whole other can of worms and certainly systematic racism there. Like I said any group in the cycle of poverty is more likely to be shot by police.
Anyway if you want to put your money where your mouth is I would recommend
The question is though are natives 'more likely to commit a crime?' or are they just far more likely to be charged with a crime, as they live in a massively policed neighbourhood, get crappy legal advice and end up pleading guilty while just as many white people are using and selling drugs get into fights or the like but tend to get ignored as they have houses and don't live in an easily policed area
That's a relatively hot take coming from an aboriginal given that Canadian police dislike you far more than they dislike us, and I've had a pretty rough go of it. Maybe I should stay home.
I hope you read the rest of what I said to put in in context...I am disputing the way the data being used to prove racism against the RCMP. 5% of the population vs. 36% of police shootings.
I think you would see similar findings using data based on socioeconomic backgrounds and not skin color.
Maybe I missed something along the way, but a I thought Dino was just trying to dispel the notion that the killing of Indigenous at the hands of the RCMP was more likely due to the types of crimes committed, rather than the colour of their skin? And that systemic racism in Canada’s justice system shows up in different ways rather than outward violence
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I know all four involved officers have been fired and the one with his knee on the victim's neck has been charged. It seems to me, and I know very little about it, but wouldn't the cop kneeling on his back be every bit as guilty of contributing if that is the finding?
It certainly muddies the waters, but Dr. Michael Baden has a long history of similar contributions and accusations of self aggrandizement.
