SCF: Florida Panthers (A3) vs Edmonton Oilers (P3) - PANTHERS LEAD 3-2

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You are confusing aversion with acceptance. Again, I'd be fine tanking. But I accept they aren't going to do it to the extent some want.

And what the tank crowd also seems to ignore is the fact that many teams tank, for extended periods, and can't climb out of it.
So when people point to the evidence, they seem to ignore that.

As the captain of Team Tank I will fully admit that there’s no guarantee of success, not at all. The flames last tanking cycle obviously did not result in any kind of remote success. There’s just as many failed rebuilds as there are successes. All of that is true. I think what’s clear is that the Flames need elite talent, the kind of talent you can only hope to find high in the draft. And a goalie (notoriously reliable, those goalies, that’s why teams build around their goalies all the time and they’re the highest paid player on the team) and one Dman who had a really good draft+1 in junior league is not gonna cut it. And yeah odds of winning the draft lottery are slim but so are the odds of lucking into a kucherov or point, much more remote, I’d rather take my chances with the draft.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Do any of the local fan fare stores carry Panthers flags?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

As the captain of Team Tank I will fully admit that there’s no guarantee of success, not at all. The flames last tanking cycle obviously did not result in any kind of remote success. There’s just as many failed rebuilds as there are successes. All of that is true. I think what’s clear is that the Flames need elite talent, the kind of talent you can only hope to find high in the draft. And a goalie (notoriously reliable, those goalies, that’s why teams build around their goalies all the time and they’re the highest paid player on the team) and one Dman who had a really good draft+1 in junior league is not gonna cut it. And yeah odds of winning the draft lottery are slim but so are the odds of lucking into a kucherov or point, much more remote, I’d rather take my chances with the draft.

I actually think their last rebuild was on track until the Hamonic deal

[dino7c]

Can we get this thread back on topic?..there are multiple other threads to talk about the Flames moves past and present

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

And I don't think you'll ever get a team to direct its players to purposefully throw games.

Will never happen, and it would tarnish the team.

So I don't know what team tank wants them to do, other than what they've already been doing for 2 years.

You think anyone believes you tell players to throw games?

You trade players. It's pretty basic. Move out some combination of Andersson, Coleman, Weegar, Kadri, Huberdeau, Backlund. Some are easier to move than others but that's what you attempt to do. That's 6 of your top 8 scorers last year and none of them seem like core pieces by the time this team is competitive.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You think anyone believes you tell players to throw games?
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Well, there was strong evidence that the Senators did this to get Daigle. Promised jobs to a group of players if they finishes last.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As mentioned, not having any fun.

If being a contender once upon a time should make getting blown out 8-0 more fun then surely you can have fun watching the Flames battle for a playoff spot by remembering their cup win.

Agree to disagree then. It wasn't really once upon a time. They made the playoffs 21 times in their 34 year history. They have really only bottomed out for 5 years.....if they are already whining then that's a spoiled fan base especially with all the talented players they have amassed...again. I could get behind that personally not sure what they are crying about.

If our fan base cant handle a 5 year rebuild for fear of a some ####ty games then we are in trouble as nearly every team has a boom bust cycle that wins the cup. There isn't many that sit 7-10 year after year and have pushed themselves to being a real contender. If everyone's happy just barely being a wild card team year after year I guess mission accomplished. They've given you what you want. We dont need a decade of darkness, but we should at least get a few top ten picks before trying to load up on more 20-26 yr old middle sixers. That's not a recipe for winning the cup. Doesn't matter though, we know what Edwards wants based on every GM that's ever run the team. Things wont change until he sells or leaves this mortal coil.

[dino7c]

about that Stanley Cup Final

big opportunity for the Panthers tomorrow...I hope they are reading all the comments about it being over. One win and its not only tied they actually have home ice and momentum.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Ped

Well, there was strong evidence that the Senators did this to get Daigle. Promised jobs to a group of players if they finishes last.

Just payoff Wolf then. Mission accomplished.

With the 1st overall pick the Calgary Flames select Gavin McKenna.

[CalgaryFan1988]

3 days between games 3 and 4 is bizarre... I guess you have to do what you can to rest up Ekholm and the wonder twins!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

3 days between games 3 and 4 is bizarre... I guess you have to do what you can to rest up Ekholm and the wonder twins!

Playing every 2nd night is actually more than teams play during the season.

Giving an extra day generally results in better hockey.

Plus Florida's best players are playing just as much and need just as much rest. In fact, their best dmen are playing quite a bit more minutes that Ekholm.

[LurkinMcLurkface]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

3 days between games 3 and 4 is bizarre... I guess you have to do what you can to rest up Ekholm and the wonder twins!

2 days between games, but that’s still weird. I kind of get an extra travel day. But why between the two Florida games?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Psytic

In the long run no. Its like saying "aren't you guys happy we got those two extra wins so we drafted Monahan instead of McKinnon". The Sharks will be back into real contention for the cup again with all their elite talent before the Flames. I'm sure the Flames will be a constant threat for the last wild card spot as is tradition though. Its thinking like this that keeps them constantly in the mushy middle. "just get in an anything can happen". When was the last time a Cinderella team won the cup.

Just like the Sabres when they drafted Eichel right? Nobody knows if the Sharks end up better than the Flames.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Playing every 2nd night is actually more than teams play during the season.

Giving an extra day generally results in better hockey.

Plus Florida's best players are playing just as much and need just as much rest. In fact, their best dmen are playing quite a bit more minutes that Ekholm.

I was just poking fun, but traditionally in the playoffs there is 1 day off between home games and 2 days off when needing to travel. The schedule is a little messed up (assuming due to arena scheduling), because there is only 1 day off between travel (game 4 and game 5).

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by LurkinMcLurkface

2 days between games, but that’s still weird. I kind of get an extra travel day. But why between the two Florida games?

3 days between games (2 days off). Maybe my english is bad, but that's what I call it.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

As the captain of Team Tank I will fully admit that there’s no guarantee of success, not at all. The flames last tanking cycle obviously did not result in any kind of remote success.

The Flames had a lot of success with the core of Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Monahan and the rest. I know that they didn't win a cup but for a 3-4 year span they were a top team in the league. Unfortunately issues with the roster still existed (such a relying on 36 year old Mike Smith as a #1 goalie) but the team was one of the best from 2017-2022.

Covid really messed up this teams window.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Just like the Sabres when they drafted Eichel right? Nobody knows if the Sharks end up better than the Flames.

If you were a GM wouldn't you prefer to try and build around Celebrini and Eichel over not having them? The Sharks are not guaranteed to become a true contender but I'd be willing to bet their odds of becoming a contender are greater with Celebrini than without him. And I'll also bet regardless of what happens the excitement and entertainment value of the team is much higher during that time period as well with him in the lineup.

If you believe the Flames can build a contender without drafting high I'm not sure why you wouldn't have even greater faith they could build a contender with higher picks.

So why does the organization refuse to make that sacrifice? Especially when many teams in smaller markets that are less passionate about hockey are willing to do it.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

The Flames had a lot of success with the core of Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Monahan and the rest. I know that they didn't win a cup but for a 3-4 year span they were a top team in the league. Unfortunately issues with the roster still existed (such a relying on 36 year old Mike Smith as a #1 goalie) but the team was one of the best from 2017-2022.

Covid really messed up this teams window.

Those Flames teams were like the Jets and Caps this year. Both good teams that won their conference but no one believed they were ever an actual threat to win the Cup.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I actually think their last rebuild was on track until the Hamonic deal

That trade is the turning point where things went downhill under Treliving.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Hackey

And I'll also bet regardless of what happens the excitement and entertainment value of the team is much higher during that time period as well with him in the lineup.

Yet they're still struggling to get people to come to games. A 14,219 average attendance which is only 660 more than last year isn't a big jump.

Which goes back to the argument about "having fun". You can be hopeful of the future but still not have fun watching your team get murdered most nights.

Trying to get it slightly back on topic I don't think Oilers fans were having much fun during the decade of darkness even if they are now.