[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Could someone please tell me how to pronounce this "Bahl"? Thanks.

What exactly are your ideas on different pronunciations?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What exactly are your ideas on different pronunciations?

I'm a person of English as second language, I just don't know how to pronounce it. Why do you have to spin it like I'm making fun of his name?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I'm a person of English as second language, I just don't know how to pronounce it. Why do you have to spin it like I'm making fun of his name?

No worries. Like a ball.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Seems like my guess was right and Conroy stuck to his guns and Fitzgerald was the one that gave in to Conroy's price in the end. Conroy is shaping up to be a pretty saavy GM.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803835624551584247

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803869570769526848

This perfectly aligns with my "one time at a party credible insider" discussion that the deal Devils offered was too low at trade deadline. Good on Conroy for weighting it out when more teams in play to get his 1st.

Love the deal even more now that details confirmed (if source reliable)!

Find me some trades in the past where a 34 year old goalie was traded for a 1st and a servicable 4-5 D man who is only age 23.

A mid to late 1st round pick has been a max return for starters in net who are generally much younger than Markstrom.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

A mid to late 1st round pick has been a max return for starters in net who are generally much younger than Markstrom.

In each of the previous five cases in the cap era where a 30+ goalie was traded for a 1st, there were always additional pieces going along with that 1st. Sometimes there were additional pieces moved along with the goalie.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Markstrom is only the third 30+ goalie to be traded for a 1st in the last 15 years, and the sixth in the entire salary cap era.

- Markstrom from CGY to NJ for 1st, Bahl
- Kuemper from AZ to COL for 1st, 3rd, Timmins
- Miller and Ott from BUF to STL for 1st, 3rd, Halak, Stewart, Carrier
- Toskala and Bell from SJ to TOR for 1st, 2nd, 4th
- Vokoun from NSH to FLA for 1st, 2nd, 2nd
- Roloson from MIN to EDM for 1st, 3rd

A 1st is definitely not the maximum payment. That said, this was a good return and pretty close to the high end of the historical market.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Steinberg on Flames talk said he was surprised the Flames got a first round pick cause up until the trade he was told a first was not on the table. Interesting that the Devils offered a 3rd, sounds like a Treliving offer.

I listen to his show and Steinberg was never suggesting that a first wasn’t the discussion. Even he was talking about adding our 28th to get their 10th as part of his hypothetical. I’ve noted previously I’m not into his ‘surprise’ at the Flames getting a first of some kind… that’s all he was talking about for weeks.

Anyways, we got the first and a big body. I’m happy.

[bluejays]

I suspected that this off-season in order to ensure Wolf gets a fair shake, they'd have to have some big d brought in to clear the front of the net so Wolf can see. I suspect Bahl and perhaps others may be in the cards. I'm not sure anyone is sold on Wolf's size in the NHL, but his reaction time and positioning are excellent. How he'll be able to see around NHL size forwards is a question still.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bluejays

How he'll be able to see around NHL size forwards is a question still.

Has he been playing against hobbits in the AHL?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I'm a person of English as second language, I just don't know how to pronounce it. Why do you have to spin it like I'm making fun of his name?

Ah gotcha. I just literally couldn't think of another pronunciation than ball, haha.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Ah gotcha. I just literally couldn't think of another pronunciation than ball, haha.

My first take was "Bahh" and then didn't think it's right.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Ah gotcha. I just literally couldn't think of another pronunciation than ball, haha.

It's a dialect thing. Linguists call it the ‘cot/caught’ merger.

If you pronounce ‘cot’ the same as ‘caught’ (as most Canadians do), then ‘Bahl’ will be the same as ‘ball’.

If you pronounce those words differently (‘caht’ vs. ‘cawt’), then ‘Bahl’ will likely have the same vowel sound as ‘cot’, where ‘ball’ has the same vowel sound as ‘caught’.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Steinberg on Flames talk said he was surprised the Flames got a first round pick cause up until the trade he was told a first was not on the table. Interesting that the Devils offered a 3rd, sounds like a Treliving offer.

Steinberg is very well connected within the Flames organization and has been close to Conroy for a very long time. I would trust him over some anonymous source on the internet.

This makes the trade that much better.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by traptor

But we would still come away with a top 10 pick. So I feel like the other scenario is worse.

Not necessarily. If the Panthers 2025 pick is top 10 we don’t get it. We get their 2026, which would then be unprotected.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I stand by that, it's what I heard from multiple sources. I.

You're very well connected

[browna]

Conroy held all the cards and control and a clearly dealing with a desperate Devils team.

Sure, he listened to other teams, but Markstrom’s value could’ve gone up if another particular team didn’t get an intended UFA goalie or defenseman on July 1. The Devils weren’t going anywhere on Markstrom, two days ago or two weeks from now.

If the Devils wanted to do this deal now, as opposed to 13 days from now, IMO they should’ve paid a further premium.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by browna

If the Devils wanted to do this deal now, as opposed to 13 days from now, IMO they should’ve paid a further premium.

Who says they didn't pay ‘a further premium’? It's clear that they paid substantially more than their initial offer.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by browna

Conroy held all the cards and control and a clearly dealing with a desperate Devils team.

Sure, he listened to other teams, but Markstrom’s value could’ve gone up if another particular team didn’t get an intended UFA goalie or defenseman on July 1. The Devils weren’t going anywhere on Markstrom, two days ago or two weeks from now.

If the Devils wanted to do this deal now, as opposed to 13 days from now, IMO they should’ve paid a further premium.

What? This is very narrative driven. You walked yourself into the conclusion you clearly wanted to get to - That Conroy didn't get enough because he didn't wait long enough.

That's balderdash, you have no idea where anything was at with any GM in the league or what was talked about, or who was in or out.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Could someone please tell me how to pronounce this "Bahl"? Thanks.

Ball.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What? This is very narrative driven. You walked yourself into the conclusion you clearly wanted to get to - That Conroy didn't get enough because he didn't wait long enough.

That's balderdash, you have no idea where anything was at with any GM in the league or what was talked about, or who was in or out.

But the beauty of it is that no matter how much a GM gets in a trade, you can always imagine a scenario where he could have got more, and blame him for not doing it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But the beauty of it is that no matter how much a GM gets in a trade, you can always imagine a scenario where he could have got more, and blame him for not doing it.

It’s funny because I used the Smith comparison a lot.

I know a bunch of people that hated that trade for us and thought we overpaid. Some of it was maybe because of the player, but still.

Compare the 2. This is a slam dunk trade.

Not sure what people thought a 34 soon to be 35 year old goalie would fetch.