Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[BerubeHater]

Originally Posted by BerubeHater

I was thinking along the same lines. I was searching online and haven't found anything.

If your ineterested, petition link someone emailed to me this morning.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...nt-canada.html

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

How can you claim that all the Liberal-incumbent seats would be safe?

Agreed I think its as safe of a bet that the Conservatives find a way to get the 10 seats that would be needed to form a majority from Liberal's and NDP'ers that are not onboard with this coalition.

It depends on Harpers strategy and spin over the next few days.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That sounds like vote-fixing. Definitely something I'd want to see in a democratic election.

Well it would certainly play into the Tories hands and accusations of the NDP and Liberals being interested in the power grab and not really interested in what is best for the country.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Green Party backs coalition. May may get a senate seat.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../politics/home

How many of you who are outraged with this Coalition voted Green last election? The Green Party would have ceased to exist with Harper's proposed bill.

This is why Harper will NEVER win a majority in Canada. He will never win over the Ontarians who see him as too extreme.

Harper will never win a majority because a party that has never elected anyone would lose taxpayer funding? Really? Maybe they should be forced to do something before we crucify a man for not wanting to give handouts. Don't get me wrong, I've voted green before, but they've been around for a fairly long time and have never even gotten the party leader to Ottawa. I highly doubt this issue is whats keeping them from getting a majority.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That is the point I was trying to make. If someone wants to exercise their right to vote, they should also realize that they have an obligation to learn how the system works and what their vote actually means and the implications it has. Saying that they were ignorant when they voted is no different than people who plead ignorance after they break the law. It's not a defense.

Maybe it's a failing in our education system... Do high schools still teach Canadian history and civics?

Don't be flippant.

I know damned well how our system works. I didn't say the coalition was illegal, I said, "combing the percentages wasn't allowed within the context of the current conversation I was having, because Canadians weren't asked to vote on a Liberal/Socialist/Separatist Coalition."

I'm not having this discussion again. If you need to get caught up, flip back 20 pages or so. There's plenty of posts to read already about this.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That sounds like vote-fixing. Definitely something I'd want to see in a democratic election.

How in god's green earth is that vote fixing???

[transplant99]

Oh and somthing else no one ever mentions...

Stephen Harper just sat as PM in the longest run for a minority government in Canadian history.

All of a sudden though....Dion and Layton have decided that he is no longer able to do so and have no confidence that he can continue. Really eh? And the ONLY plausible reason they can possibly say this is because this same guy would of forced them and their parties to re-invent the way they raise money, rather than have their hands out fo the dole provided by the people of Canada and their money.

This is so heinous its embarrassing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You could also turn it around and say that 74% of Canadians didn't vote for the Libs, 82% didn't vote for the NDp, 90% didn't vote of the block and only 42% didn't vote for the Conservatives.

62.4% didn't vote for the Conservatives.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

How can you claim that all the Liberal-incumbent seats would be safe?

Typical to canadian politics, people who voted for the incumbent will overwhelmingly continue to do so. NDP voters are going to break vastly in favour of the NDP/Liberal alliance. Any votes lost by Liberal voters jumping ship is going to be more than made up for by incoming NDP voters.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

62.4% didn't vote for the Conservatives.

Yeah, I was on the phone with a client running through some costs at the same time as I was posting. So my math is terrible.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

How in god's green earth is that vote fixing???

Because I said so.


...it's ok if you don't agree or even if I am just flat-out wrong, though. It's in the best interests of all Canadians that my point of view be the one we all follow.

(Isn't that how it works?)

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Agreed I think its as safe of a bet that the Conservatives find a way to get the 10 seats that would be needed to form a majority from Liberal's and NDP'ers that are not onboard with this coalition.

It depends on Harpers strategy and spin over the next few days.

if the conservatives are the ones that actually force an election through a mass walkout, i doubt it'll be that easy to pick up the seats needed.
If the GG calls the election, i could see them getting the majority.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by troutman

54% > 38%

Why does it matter if Canadians were asked to vote on a coalition? It is implicit in our political system that this can happen.

So wait, if 54% of Canadians got to vote for three parties, why did I only get to vote for 1? And while we're on topic, how did all of those in the maritimes and ontario know to vote for a party that didn't even run candidates in thier province? NO ONE voted for a coalition, because it wasn't an option. And I'm sure many of those who voted for the individual parties will be unhappy at how quickly they all sold out their ideals.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Typical to canadian politics, people who voted for the incumbent will overwhelmingly continue to do so. NDP voters are going to break vastly in favour of the NDP/Liberal alliance. Any votes lost by Liberal voters jumping ship is going to be more than made up for by incoming NDP voters.

I can see many people being sick of the antics of the two parties and while they don't want to vote Tory they may stay home and not vote at all. I know a few Republican friends that did just that in the US election.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

How the hell does she get a senate seat, she can't even win a seat in the house. MAybe she should focus on raising funds for her party. I mean there are so many greens out there, they should be able to get billions.

Lets hope in the next election she doesn't get a seat in the debate, she didn't bring any value to the last one except for a ruder shrill voice screaming at Harper.

Yeah she was screaming and shrill. So much worse than the vacuous look Harper had the whole time in order to not come across as a complete dog.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Typical to canadian politics, people who voted for the incumbent will overwhelmingly continue to do so. NDP voters are going to break vastly in favour of the NDP/Liberal alliance. Any votes lost by Liberal voters jumping ship is going to be more than made up for by incoming NDP voters.

The one thing you fail to consider is the BQ. How could someone outside of Quebec honestly justify voting for them. I think you'll see several liberal seats fall due to the fact that Little France has joined the circus. Also more right winged liberals may be angry over the fact that they have to deal with the socialist, so there goes a few more seats there.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by BerubeHater

If your ineterested, petition link someone emailed to me this morning.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...nt-canada.html

That site is getting hammered right now by people trying to sign it. I haven't been able to get to load in over half an hour.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Green Party backs coalition. May may get a senate seat.

"And Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is endorsing the proposed coalition government and says she has spoken with Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion about the possibility of her being appointed to the Senate."

How is there not more outrage over this!?!?!

She could not even win her home riding and now she's looking at a Senate seat??? For what, supporting Dion??? I'm sorry but this is totally unacceptable!!!

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Chretien did it twice.

Actually, Chretien did it 3 times (93, 97, 2000), and with 38% of the popular vote in 1997 no less.

The only reason they did was because the PC/Reform vote split.

Once they united, the Liberals were back in minority country.

I almost think in what appears to be the end of singular majority governments, its in the best interests to split the CPC again. Except this time, the Western Conservative Bloc wouldn't run anyone east of Manitoba, and the PCs wouldn't run anyone west of there. No vote splitting. Since the "odious" West are out, the PCs would snag several more liberal seats... then they can coalesce into a majority government. Right now, the CPCs have no possible allies. The Liberals are mortal enemies, and the political whores are way too left to share any common ground.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ernie

I can see many people being sick of the antics of the two parties and while they don't want to vote Tory they may stay home and not vote at all. I know a few Republican friends that did just that in the US election.

That's actually my theory for why voter turnout was so low for the last election. I think a lot of people that stayed home were people who wanted to vote Liberal but were tired of the party's antics and didn't like the leader.

Despite their poor election results, I still see them as a sleeping giant if they can motivate more people to vote. Not going to happen with Dion, or if they force an election though. They should have waited before pulling this crap.