[PGT] Wings 2 Flames 1 OT

[SuperMatt18]

The reffing in the first period was an issue for sure.

Calling all of the Coronato, Huberdeau x 2 penalties means the Flames have to play passive the rest of the game.

Coronato's call was a dive and stick was nowhere near his feet or skates. Huberdeau's first call Huberdeau is just going where he needs for his defensive position and the guys skates into him as much as he skates into the guy. Huberdeau's stick slash call is a penalty but I hate that when a guy has one hand on his stick and drops it.

And I think that's what we saw the rest of the game was a team that wasn't playing as aggressive on their defensive zone coverage or forecheck at the risk of taking another penalty.

Poor reffing in the first set he whole tone for the game.

[browna]

Where does "illegal substitution" come into play? IMO this qualifies for that, and it's a whistle, not a penalty.

[dino7c]

I can't think of another time I saw a linesman call a too much man with a 10 second delay. Like if the Wings don't turn it over and get a shot on goal that Vladar smothers does he ever call it? There are no arms up.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I can't think of another time I saw a linesman call a too much man with a 10 second delay. Like if the Wings don't turn it over and get a shot on goal that Vladar smothers does he ever call it? There are no arms up.

TBH he probably did the right thing there.

Detroit had possession of the puck and he didn't blow the whistle until Calgary gained possession.

The official rulebook does say that he can report it to the ref at the stoppage of play or he "may blow down the play at his discretion" nothing says he has to blow it down immediately.

If it was reversed and he blew it down while rhe Flames still had the puck and were on the rush then I'd be pissed.

In the end it was a bad change that potentially helped eliminate a breakaway against. Doesn't get called all the time but actually not as egregious as some of the calls from the first period and by the letter of the rule book it is a penalty.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH he probably did the right thing there.

Detroit had possession of the puck and he didn't blow the whistle until Calgary gained possession.

The official rulebook does say that he can report it to the ref at the stoppage of play or he "may blow down the play at his discretion" nothing says he has to blow it down immediately.

If it was reversed and he blew it down while rhe Flames still had the puck and were on the rush then I'd be pissed.

In the end it was a bad change that potentially helped eliminate a breakaway against. Doesn't get called all the time but actually not as egregious as some of the calls from the first period and by the letter of the rule book it is a penalty.

I've honestly never seen it work that way...seems to me he wouldn't have called it if the Wings just got a shot and there was a stoppage. IMO he should at least have to raise his hand. Flames might as well have just defended that rush with 4 guys on the ice.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Talbot plays the puck at 2:05 (when this screen grab occurs and the change begins). Keep in mind The linesman does not put his hand up at any point for a delayed call. The linesmen then allows Detroit the opportunity to enter the zone and make a play at which point 9 seconds after the line change started he calls the play dead and issues a penalty only after Calgary is advancing up the ice.

Do you not see an issue with that? Either blow the call dead when it occurs or let the play continue.. you can’t decide it’s a penalty 9 seconds later and only after allowing the opponent a free zone entry and potential scoring opportunity.

No I don’t see an issue

Since when is play blown down for a penalty when the non offending team has possession?

He just has yet to report it to the ref

It actually helped Calgary. If Detroit knew, Talbot would have come off for the extra skater

[icarus]

At the end of the day, the Flames scored one goal and got a point despite that. Debate the penalty all you want but scoring one goal typically doesn't get you anything. There are more pressing things to work on in practice than substitutions.

But, as been pointed out, the Flames are rather comfortably in a playoff spot at Thanksgiving, so taking a step back that's good news.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The official rulebook does say that he can report it to the ref at the stoppage of play or he "may blow down the play at his discretion" nothing says he has to blow it down immediately.

That’s interesting. I have watched a metric **** ton of hockey in my life and honestly can’t recall a similar call play out like that. I guess that’s where the grey area comes into play with “discretion”.

Oh well, I don’t think the Flames played all that well. Take the point and win out on the road trip.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

It’s got nothing to do with officiating

Somebody here said that this road trip was 4 winnable games (or something to that effect)
Who was it
It’s time to own up!

All in all
So far, this road trip at 1 out of 4 points against non playoff teams is keeping the tanker/losers happy
That’s the bright side

I said that. It’s still true. If they score more than 1 goal

[FlamesAddiction]

Flames got caught trying to cheat too much on that line change and the refs called. Most of the time they let it go in OT, but I guess it was too much for this particular ref... whatever.

Flames need to score more goals, be better at faceoffs, and to stop taking penalties like crazy. Granted, the last one seems to have been a result of some questionable calls, but not most of the them IMO.

In particular faceoffs. The Flames are 44.5%. I bet if they were closer to the median at around 50%, they have a few more wins and more goals.

[dissentowner]

Well that was a disappointing game to go to. I think the whole highlight of my night was taking the tunnel bus and having Brent Krahn sitting across from me to casually chat with.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No I don’t see an issue

Since when is play blown down for a penalty when the non offending team has possession?

He just has yet to report it to the ref

It actually helped Calgary. If Detroit knew, Talbot would have come off for the extra skater

Calgary also could have left 4 guys out there...its extremely rare. I have yet to see another example of a linesman calling a delayed too many men.

[Rhett44]

This post has nothing to do with the last penalty on us.

But the league clearly has a ref problem. It's been clear that in all sports ever since gambling promotion has gotten out of hand, the calls seem to be even more inconsistent than ever.

You can call a penalty on almost every shift. Or in NFL on every play. People are betting more money than ever on these sports. What is to stop a ref from having their friends place some large bets on these games?

This is just one more reason I hate that sports betting is being promoted so much. It makes you question everything when calls do not go your way.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Just finished the game on a delay.

Haven't read a single comment, and I don't know how anyone else feels, but that was one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a very long time.

Flames didn't play their best game, but they got jobbed by the refs in this one. I couldn't believe how easily they called penalties on obvious dives or guys just falling/dropping their sticks. Questionable calls on every single penalty call tonight, going both ways, except for the obvious Larkin faceoff penalty that the referee missed and had to be called by the linesman.

Who ever that ref was, they are ####ing terrible at their job.

Flames got a point, but that game was hard to watch for multiple reasons.

Here's a shocker. The ref in question I believe is none other than former OILER draft pick Jake Brenk.

[WhiteTiger]

Caught the highlights. Too bad the boys lost, but like the moxie I'm seeing out of them this year.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That’s interesting. I have watched a metric **** ton of hockey in my life and honestly can’t recall a similar call play out like that. I guess that’s where the grey area comes into play with “discretion”.

Oh well, I don’t think the Flames played all that well. Take the point and win out on the road trip.

Pfft...everyone knows the Imperial Tonne to be the far superior unit of measurement!

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Junglist

Go back to the Oilers forum you came from.

My goodness
Anyone else see the irony in this comment
This particular poster has been banned here many times and I’d bet good money that they brag about that on their Oiler forums

[Nelson]

From my perspective, the highlights of this game are:

1) Dan Vladar, for obvious reasons; and

(2) Connor Zary, for his goal and underlying metrics, 5 v 5, at centre.

[Locke]

Its a 2-1 away loss in OT and we got a point. Hardly grounds for an intense inquisition.

Take the point and move along and let the coaching staff comb through tape and hopefully make adjustments.

The Ottawa game was a travesty, this one was just...lackluster.

[The Cobra]

Calgary got a point in a game on the road they were vastly outplayed in.

Nothing to complain about here.

Move on to the next game.