Christ on the Cross - Time for a Rebranding?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

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I don't get it, the image of the crucifiction didn't scar millions of kids in the previous what? few hundred generations of f kids because the story was told to us in church growing up.
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Agree with the general point of your post, but do we really know thst this is true?

[Nage Waza]

[PsYcNeT]

Seeing as it's a depiction of violence, I can understand why most people aren't offended.

That said, since we are in NA, if it was traditional to have his divine ###### hanging out of his loincloth, I'm sure you would find yourself surrounded by more like-minded individuals.

I mean, it's cool that children can see a dude strung up by nails through his wrists with blood streaming down his face, but a flaccid, limp God-begotten penis? No siree Bob.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

stupid

You resort to using this work frequently, in multiple threads.

Is that the best argument you can make?

[BBQorMILDEW]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

You resort to using this work frequently, in multiple threads.

Is that the best argument you can make?

I'm pretty sure his "argument" was prevalent throughout this thread. Perhaps you should read through the first five pages and then delete your foolish post.

Or, you can leave it and wait for CC's clever response.

Either way, you're attempted trolling of the Captain is pathetic.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Seeing as it's a depiction of violence, I can understand why most people aren't offended.

That said, since we are in NA, if it was traditional to have his divine ###### hanging out of his loincloth, I'm sure you would find yourself surrounded by more like-minded individuals.

I mean, it's cool that children can see a dude strung up by nails through his wrists with blood streaming down his face, but a flaccid, limp God-begotten penis? No siree Bob.

Came here NOT expecting this....and lol'd.

[JohnnyB]

This thread is better than the Funny Pics & Vids thread.

All I need is the time to PS a monitor lizard Christ to express my intentions.

On topic, I see nothing wrong with depictions of violence. I don't like real violence, but it's a reality and depictions of it are not a bad thing.

[dissentowner]

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Sliver

So is the virgin birth, but I don't recall seeing any graphic depictions of Mary in labour.

As adults living in a western society we are pretty accustomed to the image, but if you step back and look at it objectively, it's unnecessarily violent and graphic. I would think Jesus standing there preaching would be more of an apt image of the man, particularly if I were Jesus. His message was more important than the fact that he was nailed to a cross, was it not?

The fact that he died for our sins and allowed us to overcome original sin to allow us to get back to heaven is the entire point of the religion.

That overshadows every other part of it, as far as I understand, but I am not Catholic, so I could just be reading the wrong promotional information.

[DuffMan]

The image of Christ on a cross is as Catholic as pedophile priests.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rathji

The fact that he died for our sins and allowed us to overcome original sin to allow us to get back to heaven is the entire point of the religion.

That overshadows every other part of it, as far as I understand, but I am not Catholic, so I could just be reading the wrong promotional information.

The Virgin Mary is significant in Catholicism, much more so than other Christian sects. I know with my family, the Catholic side displayed way more Mary images whereas the Orthodox members on my grandmother's side stuck almost exclusively to Jesus.

The fact that he died for our sins (not specifically original sin) and created an easier path union with God is the main element of Christianity for sure, but without the martyrdom, it doesn't have the same power to sway (hence the constant reminder in imagery).

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Rathji

The fact that he died for our sins and allowed us to overcome original sin to allow us to get back to heaven is the entire point of the religion.

That overshadows every other part of it, as far as I understand, but I am not Catholic, so I could just be reading the wrong promotional information.

I disagree. Christianity is about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Rising from the dead means nothing without the teachings. I would imagine Christians would claim the teachings are still important if we could somehow prove that people can't be born of virgins, rise from the dead, and be their own father.

The focus on his violent death is morbid and unnecessary. He was a teacher.

IDK, if you love him so much I would think you guys would want to remember him in a more positive way. I have a cool picture of my Grandpa leaning against some 1940's car with cool 1940's stuff in the background hanging on my wall at home, not the photo I have of him days away from death in his hospital bed. I think he'd appreciate that.

[Kybosh]

This is my favourite Sliver thread to date. Don't ever change.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I disagree. Christianity is about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Rising from the dead means nothing without the teachings. I would imagine Christians would claim the teachings are still important if we could somehow prove that people can't be born of virgins, rise from the dead, and be their own father.

The focus on his violent death is morbid and unnecessary. He was a teacher.

IDK, if you love him so much I would think you guys would want to remember him in a more positive way. I have a cool picture of my Grandpa leaning against some 1940's car with cool 1940's stuff in the background hanging on my wall at home, not the photo I have of him days away from death in his hospital bed. I think he'd appreciate that.

No its not. You clearly don't understand what the fundamental point of Christianity is. Jesus/God loved his people so much he sent his only son to earth to die and suffer for our sins. That's it, that's the list.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I disagree. Christianity is about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Rising from the dead means nothing without the teachings. I would imagine Christians would claim the teachings are still important if we could somehow prove that people can't be born of virgins, rise from the dead, and be their own father.

The focus on his violent death is morbid and unnecessary. He was a teacher.

IDK, if you love him so much I would think you guys would want to remember him in a more positive way. I have a cool picture of my Grandpa leaning against some 1940's car with cool 1940's stuff in the background hanging on my wall at home, not the photo I have of him days away from death in his hospital bed. I think he'd appreciate that.

Are his teachings important? Sure they are, but primarily in how they contribute to his death and establish him as the Messiah and as both god and man. Christians teach he was a perfect man (possible only because he was also god) who did not sin and as a result, his death and descending into hell payed for believers sins as opposed to his own.

However, more important than the death itself, is Christ's resurrection from the dead, as without that, he couldn't 'judge the living and the dead.' The theory is that on judgement day, Christ, having paid for believers sins by death and hell, will atone for the sins of his people (believers/the living) saving them from the wrath of god the father allowing them to go to heaven and not for everyone else (non-believers/the dead).

See the Apostles' Creed to get a nearly universal statement of Christian beliefs which should help provide clarity on why Christ's death is so important to Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

Also, as the previous poster mentioned, Christian belief can be summarized by John 3:16 ( http://biblehub.com/john/3-16.htm ) which says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

[rotten42]

I've said it before...I'll say it again. The world is full of people just waiting to be offended.

People these days are just whiney little bitches.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Sliver

IDK, if you love him so much I would think you guys would want to remember him in a more positive way. I have a cool picture of my Grandpa leaning against some 1940's car with cool 1940's stuff in the background hanging on my wall at home, not the photo I have of him days away from death in his hospital bed. I think he'd appreciate that.

As someone who isn't religious I find your posts on this subject borderline moronic and actually a little offensive.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Are his teachings important? Sure they are, but primarily in how they contribute to his death and establish him as the Messiah and as both god and man. Christians teach he was a perfect man (possible only because he was also god) who did not sin and as a result, his death and descending into hell payed for believers sins as opposed to his own.

However, more important than the death itself, is Christ's resurrection from the dead, as without that, he couldn't 'judge the living and the dead.' The theory is that on judgement day, Christ, having paid for believers sins by death and hell, will atone for the sins of his people (believers/the living) saving them from the wrath of god the father allowing them to go to heaven and not for everyone else (non-believers/the dead).

Are you saying Jesus went to Hell for those 3 days he was dead?

Also, who is God to Jesus? stepDad? uncle?

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Are you saying Jesus went to Hell for those 3 days he was dead?

Also, who is God to Jesus? stepDad? uncle?

That's what the majority (but not all) of Christians teach.

The majority of Christians (once again, not all) also believe in the Trinity, which is to say, One God in 3 persons and 3 persons in 1 god. It's a difficult concept to explain. Therefore, God to Jesus is himself, and god the father, and god the holy ghost. Christians believe only Jesus the person died, not the god.

FWIW, I'm told that hell is described in the Bible as a condition more than a place. It's the condition where the whole wrath of god the father is directed against the person for their sins.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Time for Kriss Kross

"Warm it up, Christ!"
"I'm about to!"
"Get crucified!"
"'Cause that's what I was born to do!"