Christ on the Cross - Time for a Rebranding?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I'm not Christian or Catholic, I am a muslim and not biased in any way and think your thread is ridiculous. Don't walk into a Catholic School and be offended, for Christ's sake.

well played sir.

[iggyformayor]

Originally Posted by Sliver

How so?

Look, JC's crucifixion is not that noteworthy relative to the rest of his life. Tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people have been crucified. His teachings are what is important...they even wrote a book about them.

Focusing on the manner in which he died in signs, statues and other literature, to me, is like shock advertising. The manner in which he died isn't unique. His teachings are what make him significant, which is why visuals of him teaching are more appropriate, imo, particularly in a school.

Once again, a completely ignorant post that completely ignores all of the reasons behind the symbolism. It's not the fact that he died or how he died. It's WHY he died that holds so much importance. It's the entire reason he lived in the first place. To die. If he hadn't died and resurrected then he would have just been another prophet.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Is there a retro logo available to go back to ?

Everyone picks on Catholics and Jesus because catholics won't blow stuff up and threaten you when insulted.

Jesus message of turning the other cheek is still relevant today!

The retro logo would be the cross, used from the 4th century. The crucifix started to become more common around the 11th century.

Interestingly, John Calvin agreed with the OP and was opposed to the use of any imagery at all by Christians resulting in a significant reduction in visible christian imagery.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yup, he was a willing sacrifice as he offered basically no defense during his trial. That sacrifice was done to atone for all man's sins and allow for the possibility of salvation.

Yes Jesus had his teachings but the crucifiction is one of the major concepts of christianity hence the symbol, not logo and not branding statement.

[MolsonInBothHands]

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by iggyformayor

It's not the fact that he died or how he died. It's WHY he died that holds so much importance. It's the entire reason he lived in the first place. To die. If he hadn't died and resurrected then he would have just been another prophet.

Actually the fact that he died is quite important, and can't be separated from the why part, otherwise resurrection theology kinda falls flat. He died because he was fully human, and that's quite important in the narrative.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Thor

This is the one thing I love about Christians, you guys are cool with joking and even insults to your boss man. Much respect, and also thank you for not killing me for said comments.

Not all Christians are cool with it. Many fundamental Christians would be offended. However, almost all of those fundamental Christians will ask you to stop as opposed to killing you since Christ's teachings are summarized as 'love god above all and your neighbor as yourself'. If you don't stop despite their requests, they will boycott dealing with you as much as possible. Most Christians with internet access are not fundamentalist though, and as many as 600 million are atheists, but haven't left the church. Given this diversity, it's only natural that the different groups poke fun at their own and others depictions of Christ.

[Free Ben Hur!]

Originally Posted by Thor

White Jesus, BLASHPHEMY, he was a dirty jew, where is the big jewy nose and dark skin.

Maybe not dirty but, yeah, a Jew so most likely swarthy and those other features. Not a waspy Ted Neely looking kind of guy.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by iggyformayor

Once again, a completely ignorant post that completely ignores all of the reasons behind the symbolism. It's not the fact that he died or how he died. It's WHY he died that holds so much importance. It's the entire reason he lived in the first place. To die. If he hadn't died and resurrected then he would have just been another prophet.

I'm not defending sliver here, God knows I'm no fan of Christianity these days, but was Jesus really any different than the other so called prophets in terms of legitimacy?

[Jbo]

Not much to add, but I do find it funny that you try to take your bizarre stances on topics like the "brand" of the crucifix or dogs and there owners..and always try and link it back to doing the best for your daughter.

Lazy and uninformed opinions breed ignorance, and for your daughters sake, I hope you are joking in these dramas you find yourself in.

[tanguay'sstillgood]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What part of he died and suffered for our sins don't you understand.

What part of he was betrayed and murdered and then resurrected don't you understand.

To be fair, billions of people have trouble understanding this part. However, for those who do believe it, it is obviously important. Symbolize away, my Catholic friends!

[Dion]

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

Maybe not dirty but, yeah, a Jew so most likely swarthy and those other features. Not a waspy Ted Neely looking kind of guy.

He wouldnt look like a New York Jew though. He would likely look Muslim like the Arabic jews.

As for the OP this is such an odd thing to get offended by.

The answer to your daughter persuming your are athiest would be. They believe that a person long ago was born and died on a cross for their sins. The cross is a symbol of their faith. We do not believe in that as their is no scientific basis for their beliefs.

Saying that seems easier then starting a thread on the internet complaining about Branding.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Time for Kriss Kross

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yup, he was a willing sacrifice as he offered basically no defense during his trial. That sacrifice was done to atone for all man's sins and allow for the possibility of salvation.

But wasn't it a pretty major plot hole that the all-powerful god couldn't just snap his fingers to atone for all man's sins rather than killing himself/his son?

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by GGG

The answer to your daughter persuming you are athiest would be. They believe that a person long ago was born and died on a cross for their sins. The cross is a symbol of their faith. We do not believe in that as their is no scientific basis for their beliefs.

This. Does it not make more sense to explain what Christ on the cross means to Christians to your daughter, rather than try to change a 2000+ year old, multi-billion dollar, multi-billion people religion?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by KTrain

This. Does it not make more sense to explain what Christ on the cross means to Christians to your daughter, rather than try to change a 2000+ year old, multi-billion dollar, multi-billion people religion?

Or explain when this symbol was created violence to humanity was very common and very public, kids back then watched people fed to the lions or hacked to bits in an arena and probably thought a dude nailed to a piece of wood was "meh"

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

Or explain when this symbol was created violence to humanity was very common and very public, kids back then watched people fed to the lions or hacked to bits in an arena and probably thought a dude nailed to a piece of wood was "meh"

Compare that to all the violence in movies and on TV today

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

Compare that to all the violence in movies and on TV today

And thats "meh" compared to what my 13 year old plays on Xbox

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I'm not defending sliver here, God knows I'm no fan of Christianity these days, but was Jesus really any different than the other so called prophets in terms of legitimacy?

Well to Christians...yes. This isn't a debate about whether or not Christianity or any religion is a legit.