U.S. Army Sergeant goes on a 16 person killing spree

[NBC]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Agreed, and the the sad fact is barely anyone has had a reaction to it.

Probably because it was a typical smart-mouth CP-style post, designed to inflame opinions and push buttons. Comments like that are de rigueur and quite frequently they go relatively unnoticed due to the sheer number of them made on a daily basis.

Having said that, it is imbued with a sense of classic 'Soviet' neo-Malthusian discourse. Unfortunately life is held far too cheaply in some regions and by some people.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by NBC

Probably because it was a typical smart-mouth CP-style post, designed to inflame opinions and push buttons. Comments like that are de rigueur and quite frequently they go relatively unnoticed due to the sheer number of them made on a daily basis.

Having said that, it is imbued with a sense of classic 'Soviet' neo-Malthusian discourse. Unfortunately life is held far too cheaply in some regions and by some people.

Can you dumb that down a bit for us ignorant rednecks? We got some hating to do here and your fancy book learning is complicating things.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Igottago

So I guess the fear-mongering of the past decade has totally worked on you. Good job eating what gets spoon-fed to you by media outlets such as Fox News.

It's funny that people like you talk like you have so much backbone and about how you're "being honest"...well your honesty shows me one thing for sure -- you are an incredibly weak and spineless person. Takes a lot more strength to find common ground with people than it does to thump your chest and remain ignorant and hateful.

I feel sorry for you.

Eh, not worth it. I just see the world as "us" and "them". Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the "we are all the same" mantra.

[Azure]

We've spent how many millions, or if you're from the US, 'billions' ACTUALLY trying to help these people for more than a decade. And it goes beyond 'military' aid. The US and other countries have spent billions upgrading their infrastructure and legitimately trying to help their country.

And what have they done?

From a recent Michael Yon dispatch. He is someone that has actually BEEN over there, unlike the rest of us ignorant, stupid, rednecks who obviously don't understand anything.

The recent Koran-burning in Afghanistan has again inspired lunacy and murder. And while the US civilian and military leadership burdened by their oleaginous apologies tumbles down a moral stairwell, Afghan security forces continue to murder American and Coalition troops. Insider violence persists at an increasing rate. Approximately 200 Coalition members have been killed or wounded in nearly fifty documented “green on blue” attacks.

Noticeably absent from the airwaves is a definitive apology from Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and a vow to fight this treachery committed by his troops. Instead, we are likely to hear Karzai whining about night raids that his own troops help conduct every night.

We should immediately cut off all aid to Afghanistan until we hear a public apology from Karzai, and a denouncement from Karzai of Coalition murders by Afghan troops. We should end all unnecessarily joint operations, training, and support of Afghan forces until we have public assurances from Karzai that the Afghan government strongly condemns the increasing murders of Coalition members. Armed Afghans should not be allowed onto US aircraft. Our people do missions every night with armed Afghans on our helicopters. It would be nothing to take down a CH-47 from the inside.

It is time that we redeploy our main battle force home and disentangle ourselves from AfPak.

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/our...s.htm#comments

He has been talking a while now that its time to bring the troops home. I agree, because like I said, they get so pissed off over a Koran burning, but nothing is mentioned when the Taliban straps a suicide bomb onto a mentally ######ed child, and sends him into a busy market place where they remotely detonate the bomb, killing the child and a dozen other 'innocent' people.

Because of that I have stopped caring.

[NBC]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Can you dumb that down a bit for us ignorant rednecks? We got some hating to do here and your fancy book learning is complicating things.

Sure, but it was nothing more than a thinly-veiled poke at Russian perceptions of humanity as well as CP's favourite Sovietologist, Vlad.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by NBC

Sure, but it was nothing more than a thinly-veiled poke at Russian perceptions of humanity as well as CP's favourite Sovietologist, Vlad.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I know, I know - I fully admit it - I look at humanity much like Stalin. A few billion less wouldn't bother me... Not making excuses for it or even trying to explain it. Just the way it is.

[tjinaz]

It is pretty true especially with todays media.

The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.

Joesph Stalin

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

It is pretty true especially with todays media.

I wondered if I was a psychopath, but I do care about individual people. Just not about people in the abstract.

[NBC]

Then that would make you a sociopath Vlad my good man. But let us not argue over semantics.

[Azure]

I don't really believe that the people so up in arms in this thread over our apparent 'dislike' for the Afghan people actually truly care for them. How can you possibly care for someone you've never met? Post a status update? Start a massive Twitter campaign? I mean seriously.

I want the Afghan people to live in a free and stable democracy, but considering that we've spent 10 years sending our children over there to try and help them, and they quite obviously don't want our help, excuse me if I don't give a flying rats ass anymore.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Azure

We've spent how many millions, or if you're from the US, 'billions' ACTUALLY trying to help these people for more than a decade. And it goes beyond 'military' aid. The US and other countries have spent billions upgrading their infrastructure and legitimately trying to help their country.

And what have they done?

From a recent Michael Yon dispatch. He is someone that has actually BEEN over there, unlike the rest of us ignorant, stupid, rednecks who obviously don't understand anything.



http://www.michaelyon-online.com/our...s.htm#comments

He has been talking a while now that its time to bring the troops home. I agree, because like I said, they get so pissed off over a Koran burning, but nothing is mentioned when the Taliban straps a suicide bomb onto a mentally ######ed child, and sends him into a busy market place where they remotely detonate the bomb, killing the child and a dozen other 'innocent' people.

Because of that I have stopped caring.

Billions in bombs.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by NBC

Then that would make you a sociopath Vlad my good man. But let us not argue over semantics.

What are labels anyhow? Just give me absolute power.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't really believe that the people so up in arms in this thread over our apparent 'dislike' for the Afghan people actually truly care for them.

You don't have to know them or "care" for them to wish that they not be gunned down senselessly.


It's somewhat stunning how this thread has needed multiple posts reiterating basic respect for human life.

[tjinaz]

You don't have to know them or "care" for them to wish that they not be gunned down senselessly.


It's somewhat stunning how this thread has needed multiple posts reiterating basic respect for human life.

So what would the death toll be if the invasion had not occurred? How many would the Taliban have had stoned to death, blinded, had tongues cut out, had their hands chopped off or women told they could not go to school.

Its not like the place was a utopia to start with, people were being killed, raped and maimed in the name of allah all over that country. It happened before we got there and it will happen after we leave. It is the nature of the culture in that part of the world. We can and have spent billions trying to change it but short term progress doesn't look promising and the long term impacts cannot be determined.

America's issue is that it tries to hard to make people like it. China and Russia don't seem to care as much, maybe it is time for America to stop trying to fix things and look out for her own interests alone.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't really believe that the people so up in arms in this thread over our apparent 'dislike' for the Afghan people actually truly care for them. How can you possibly care for someone you've never met? Post a status update? Start a massive Twitter campaign? I mean seriously.

I want the Afghan people to live in a free and stable democracy, but considering that we've spent 10 years sending our children over there to try and help them, and they quite obviously don't want our help, excuse me if I don't give a flying rats ass anymore.

So we can't possibly care about people we've never met, but you can care about all of "our children" in the Canadian forces who you've never met? Or did you father all of the Canadian troops that are over there?

[MotoRacer]

hope that military court doesn't give this psycho a free get out of jail card

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, it's a start............................................. ........too soon?

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Sorry, but I feel absolutely zero sympathy for the Afghans. A lot of sympathy for the soldier. No doubt that is warped, but honest.

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Well then your a cruel and ignorant person, congratulatioins!

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Shrug. Proper spelling would have made your message more powerful...

No it wouldn't have. His message was quite clear the way it was. You're a pretty scary person, if that's how you really feel.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't really believe that the people so up in arms in this thread over our apparent 'dislike' for the Afghan people actually truly care for them. How can you possibly care for someone you've never met? Post a status update? Start a massive Twitter campaign? I mean seriously.

I want the Afghan people to live in a free and stable democracy, but considering that we've spent 10 years sending our children over there to try and help them, and they quite obviously don't want our help, excuse me if I don't give a flying rats ass anymore.

Have been there. Have met them. The vast majority of the people that I met (admittedly a skewed representation though) were very grateful for the ISAF intervention and overthrow of the Taliban.

But that is all irrelevant. This is a tragedy where 16 innocent people, mostly women and children, were senselessly murdered. The only thing required to care about that is a just basic human decency.

That said, I suspect (well, hope) that we're all just being trolled in this thread (as other posters have already suggested.)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MotoRacer

hope that military court doesn't give this psycho a free get out of jail card

Not that I'm trying to take sides, but until we know more its impossible to judge the possible outcomes to any court marshal.

We know that this guy served multiple tours in Iraq and at least one tour in Afghanistan over about the last 10 years, and unlike Canada where they limited tours to 6 months, IIRC the average tour of duty in Iraq was 12 to 15 months, so this guy was almost constantly deployed.

We all know that Iraq and Afghanistan can be a sh%t show for a deployed soldier because of the nature of the wars and fighting an insurgency movement.

These wars are similar or in a way probably have a bigger effect on these soldiers then Vietnam, mainly because the U.S. Army is a all volunteer army, not made up by conscripts who don't want to be there.

We know that PTSD is a terrible thing that can emotionally cripple a soldier for life.

Until we know what this guys state of mind is, I think its a little unfair to call him a psycho. This isn't an average ordinary action like a guy shooting up a school. This is a guy that at some point could have been an exceptionally good soldier (based on his rank, reaching a ranking of Staff Sergant isn't easy)

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by flameswin

No it wouldn't have. His message was quite clear the way it was. You're a pretty scary person, if that's how you really feel.

Sorry. I don't think the American soldier should have still been there to carry out this act, but that's as far as my caring reaches. If you still wish to live and organize your society like it's the 12th century but with guns, RPGs and heroin, certain consequences flow from that. If you stew in your own juice, and don't bother anyone else, great. However, if you poke the rest of the world and export some of your nastiness, I do not care about anything that happens to you after that. Things happen during war.