Arena negotiation discussion. UPD: Flames release their proposal

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Being a billionaire and running a business is not the same as buying a car. Stop with the wild comparisons.

You're right. Billionaires are much more ruthless and extract way better deals that some mouthbreather trying to buy a car. Billionaires are billionaires because they know how to extract the most out of a deal. They have teams of people working to make sure they get the best deal. Suggesting that someone with a hockey team is going to come to Calgary and sign on the dotted line without trying to bend the City over is just denial of reality. Depending on the situation, and the economic climate at the time, the City may be be lucky to get an Edmonton-level deal. Why would anyone pay more if they have the leverage?

[ComixZone]

What's cool is that in KK's response to one of the questions - it does sound like we're going to get to see the actual design of the $500M building that the Flames have in mind.

I'm pretty excited about that.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Locke

Roundabout reference to the 'Edmonton Deal' and 'thats the only way this is going to work.'

Originally Posted by Locke

Edmonton Deal again. Third time hes referenced it.

Ken King: without that deal in Edmonton they wouldn't have that shiny new building

I think I missed my calling in life, If I was a reporter I would have instantly asked King what he thought of Detroits new shiny building that was 2/3 privately funded.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Why do the Flames need a week before they can share their proposal?



Obviously need to make a few 'modifications' from the official version in order to make it more palatable for the masses.

Someone pointed it out in one of the threads: the Flames want to own the news cycle. In a way it fits with the idea that they want a change in city council, and are hoping that enough Calgarians want a new arena, and cast their votes accordingly.

[Barnes]

Screen shot of Ken King's desktop today.

[Manhattanboy]

Regarding the possibility of relocation, I know two of the owners personally, one in particular since I was a kid, with close family ties (and many posters are aware of the connection). They have deep historical roots in the community and as King said are extremely charitable and generous. You only need to look at the foundations and causes they have started and supported, all of which are local and benefit Calgarians greatly (I can provide links).

I know for a fact these owners would be devastated to see the Flames leave Calgary.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Why would the NHL reject moving a team to Calgary, a Canadian city with north of a million inhabitants who has shown to be crazy about their hockey team even though they have been mediocre at best for the last 30 years. Especially with the condition you mentioned about there being a new rink

In truth the NHL would likely be doing the opposite, they'd be prohibiting the Owners from moving the team from Calgary and instead looking for local ownership interested in keeping the team right where it is.

The 'Moving the Team' threat is so hollow as to be embarrassing.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

you're totally correct.

I don't know why hockey needs tv deals at all.
82 games a year. keep about 10-15 games on regular tv or available to stream for "free" to whet the appetite of the market. then make the majority of games pay-per-view.

Then, the league suffers.

[SOMBRI2]

I wanted to see if HF Boards have a thread named "Calgary is no good".

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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What's cool is that in KK's response to one of the questions - it does sound like we're going to get to see the actual design of the $500M building that the Flames have in mind.

I'm pretty excited about that.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by stone hands

Why would the NHL reject moving a team to Calgary, a Canadian city with north of a million inhabitants who has shown to be crazy about their hockey team even though they have been mediocre at best for the last 30 years. Especially with the condition you mentioned about there being a new rink

A lot of reasons. I mentioned one in geography. Another is politics. The NHL is a pretty small club, and if you piss off the wrong person you can find yourself on the outs pretty quick. Why hasn't Quebec City got a team yet? Canadian city. Brand new building. Possible owner with deep pockets. There's more to getting a team than having a fan base and a building. If that were the case Hamilton would have had a team a couple decades ago.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

In truth the NHL would likely be doing the opposite, they'd be prohibiting the Owners from moving the team from Calgary and instead looking for local ownership interested in keeping the team right where it is.

The 'Moving the Team' threat is so hollow as to be embarrassing.

Exactly. For the threat to be credible the current owners would need to demonstrate that there is no appetite for keeping the Flames in Calgary, and they can't really do so until they put the team up for sale.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by New Era

You're right. Billionaires are much more ruthless and extract way better deals that some mouthbreather trying to buy a car. Billionaires are billionaires because they know how to extract the most out of a deal. They have teams of people working to make sure they get the best deal. Suggesting that someone with a hockey team is going to come to Calgary and sign on the dotted line without trying to bend the City over is just denial of reality. Depending on the situation, and the economic climate at the time, the City may be be lucky to get an Edmonton-level deal. Why would anyone pay more if they have the leverage?

As the last week has proved, they don't have the leverage.

They pouted, stomped their feet, took their ball and went home. Like a child.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by flamesfan2.0

how hasn't any media source uploaded a full video of this conference yet?

their eyes are still bleeding

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by New Era

Because a smart owner is going to be looking for a sweetheart deal? When you go an buy a car are you stumbling all over yourself to pay over sticker, just because? Any team coming in will be looking to pay the least amount they can on a lease, and they will flaunt the Edmonton Oilers lease of $3.5M a season in the face of the city. A team on the market will likely have a few suitors and choices to make. I don't think the City want to get to this point.

Another thing to consider, the NHL may not even approve a team moving to Calgary, even with a new arena. Could depend greatly on where the team is coming from and how it could possibly affect divisional alignment. A move of a team could require another team changing divisions, and I would think that would require approval by that team as well. There are lots of moving pieces in a new team going into a market. It isn't as cut and dried an you might think. If there are two cities competing for a team, preference may be given to the one in the better geographical location for the league. It wouldn't be the first time they have made a decision based on geography.

I don't think this answers my question at all. Going to a dealership to buy a car is quite different than a team needing to move because they are losing money. If an owner is losing money, and Calgary has no team and is open to having a team - why would they offer that owner a better deal than what we saw this morning?

I agree with your second paragraph - the NHL might, out of spite, block any owner from moving a team to Calgary in the future. Which, if is the case, would really show they prefer grudges over making more money.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Regarding the possibility of relocation, I know two of the owners personally, one in particular since I was a kid, with close family ties (and many posters are aware of the connection). They have deep historical roots in the community and as King said are extremely charitable and generous. You only need to look at the foundations and causes they have started and supported, all of which are local and benefit Calgarians greatly (I can provide links).

I know for a fact these owners would be devastated to see the Flames leave Calgary.

I 100% believe this. And there is a simple way to make that a reality. Hopefully everyone lets cooler heads prevail.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Regarding the possibility of relocation, I know two of the owners personally, one in particular since I was a kid, with close family ties (and many posters are aware of the connection). They have deep historical roots in the community and as King said are extremely charitable and generous. You only need to look at the foundations and causes they have started and supported, all of which are local and benefit Calgarians greatly (I can provide links).

I know for a fact these owners would be devastated to see the Flames leave Calgary.

If they have deep roots and ties to the community - I suspect they're fully aware of the implications if the team is moved. They will be going from "pillars" of the community, deeply respected to having people curse their family name for the next 50 years.

Do the Riddell's and Edwards want to be equated to Pocklington? Public Enemy #1? The people that sold the beloved Flames?

Doubt it.

[calgaryblood]

Huge News out of Calgary and fan 960 talking about Barry Bonds and the HOF. ?????

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The response would be simple

We should move the Coyotes to Calgary

Sorry Calgary, Kansas City has a really nice building

We should move the Islanders to Calgary

Sorry Calgary Houston has a great building and they're a major TV hub.

But Once you get a new Arena in place, we'll return your phone calls.

I think there are more teams losing money than there are other viable markets that don't currently have a team. Where would Florida move? Carolina?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

If they have deep roots and ties to the community - I suspect they're fully aware of the implications if the team is moved. They will be going from "pillars" of the community, deeply respected to having people curse their family name for the next 50 years.

Do the Riddell's and Edwards want to be equated to Pocklington? Public Enemy #1? The people that sold the beloved Flames?

Doubt it.

This is why they aren't out there lending their credibility to this sideshow.

At least Katz had the balls to fly down to Seattle for his veiles threats.