07-13-2013, 06:00 PM
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#941
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Originally Posted by Red John
133 games, 0 goals, -27 so far.
It's no wonder the Royals are a lousy hockey team if he's the No. 1 defenseman. almost 600 goals against the last two seasons.
Feel free to continue to insult the messenger instead of the message though, thats what CP does when someone doesn't go along with the groupthink.
Understandable that we're all starved for prospect success and want so badly for the Flames draft picks to pan out but to pile on someones scouting abilities because Kanzig apparently had a few good shifts in an intra-squad game in July is a bit extreme.
He has been a bad WHL defenseman the past two seasons...he may very well develop yet (and hopefully does) but he has a long way to go still.
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Actually, I believed your initial write-up about Kanzig and how he sucks. Then someone else (forgotten who now) wrote a differing opinion based on his views. With the Flames drafting Kanzig that high - something smelt fishy.
Kanzig was indeed ranked solidly in the 3rd round by many scouting establishments. Word from Button was that he had a rough first year, but his second year he became a rock for the team - a leader, their #1 shut-down defencemen, etc.
As for the stats you just posted about him - kind of irrelevant, no? After all, he is a shut-down defender on a horrible team.
Regardless of how he was as a prospect when you saw him 'x' number of times, he seems to be a pretty damn nice pickup so far this camp, and seems to have massive upside. Why you are still trying to push his value down is perplexing - we all see he is pretty good, and he was indeed ranked by many in the third round. What is your agenda?
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07-13-2013, 06:05 PM
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#942
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Originally Posted by snipetype
Where is he, anyone else missing from camp?
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Reinhart was walking up and down the halls in workout gear while the rest of the guys were off the ice.
He was suited up in full gear and went out to skate when the coaches took the goalies out for some extra work after the scrimmage.
If I had to guess, looks like upper-body issue. Had shorts on and wasn't wearing any knee/ankle braces and didn't look to be wearing anything on his back. Had a towel with a bump under it on his shoulder, possibly an ice pack.
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07-13-2013, 06:06 PM
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#943
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Scoring Winger
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Flames TV videos from after the scrimmage
Bill Arnold
Kenny Agostino
Sean Monahan
And last but not least: Johnny Gaudreau, who discusses staying at BC a bit
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07-13-2013, 06:22 PM
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#944
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red John
133 games, 0 goals, -27 so far.
It's no wonder the Royals are a lousy hockey team if he's the No. 1 defenseman. almost 600 goals against the last two seasons.
Feel free to continue to insult the messenger instead of the message though, thats what CP does when someone doesn't go along with the groupthink.
Understandable that we're all starved for prospect success and want so badly for the Flames draft picks to pan out but to pile on someones scouting abilities because Kanzig apparently had a few good shifts in an intra-squad game in July is a bit extreme.
He has been a bad WHL defenseman the past two seasons...he may very well develop yet (and hopefully does) but he has a long way to go still.
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Well if we are going to use junior stats to determine how a player translates in to NHL potential, lemme lay these on you.
Many years ago there was a G in the Quebec league who through 3 seasons put up the following numbers..
786 GA for a GAA of 5.42
That player? .....Patrick Roy....and drafted in the 3rd round.
Trying to extrapolate anything concrete from junior numbers as to how it will apply in the NHL is pure foolishness.
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07-13-2013, 06:28 PM
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#945
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
As for the stats you just posted about him - kind of irrelevant, no? After all, he is a shut-down defender on a horrible team.
Regardless of how he was as a prospect when you saw him 'x' number of times, he seems to be a pretty damn nice pickup so far this camp, and seems to have massive upside. Why you are still trying to push his value down is perplexing - we all see he is pretty good, and he was indeed ranked by many in the third round. What is your agenda?
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There is no agenda. Not out to push him down or be a hater. Have mentioned this multiple times, but would LOVE to be wrong about him...if the original scouting report ends up being signature worthy 10 years from now when Kanzig is the new Chara (just like that Rob Schremp 1300+ point post) that would be awesome.
Just responding to the posters that keep referencing the original scouting report and shouting it down based on ONE intra-squad game. It's premature and stupid to be calling for the eating of crow at this point...especially stupid to be insulting someone over it.
Will HAPPILY eat the crow when the time comes...but the time's not yet.
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07-13-2013, 06:35 PM
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#946
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well we can all agree that the Flames thought he was worth a third. How about we leave it at that and hope for the best.
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07-13-2013, 06:41 PM
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#947
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Join Date: Jun 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red John
It's premature and stupid to be calling for the eating of crow at this point...especially stupid to be insulting someone over it.
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very true. But after posting stuff like
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Originally Posted by Red John
He isn't disciplined, doesn't have the puck skills, smarts or foot speed to keep up.
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Originally Posted by Red John
He's a pylon.
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Originally Posted by Red John
he could be one of the worst skaters in the WHL.
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it's no wonder people are calling for eating crow  it might just be one scrimmage, but based on that, everybody will tell you that
- he's not lacking smarts
- he's not a pylon
- and if he's one of the worst skaters in the WHL, they all have to be figure skaters there
No, he's not brilliant and not a blue-chip prospect at this point, but you can't be surprised that after today, people are a bit baffled after reading your scouting report. Based on your description, one would have to imagine a big immobile, slow and stupid player who doesn't belong - and that simply doesn't seem to be true. He was very solid out there today. He's a legit prospect.
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07-13-2013, 06:43 PM
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@ Red John - 'There is no agenda. Not out to push him down or be a hater....'
Is this the same Red John that wrote :
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Originally Posted by Red John
Kanzig is an idiot. Dirty player, slow and stupid.
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You seem a little touchy when you get criticized.
Nice 'scouting job'. *cough*
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07-13-2013, 06:47 PM
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#949
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red John
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Feel free to continue to insult the messenger instead of the message though, thats what CP does when someone doesn't go along with the groupthink.
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But this time the message is a product of the messenger, being in fact an opinion you offered here. Really? Separate the extremely hyperbolic statements you made from you? This only works if you're delivering someone else's message, not your own. 
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07-13-2013, 06:55 PM
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#950
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Originally Posted by Red John
133 games, 0 goals, -27 so far.
It's no wonder the Royals are a lousy hockey team if he's the No. 1 defenseman. almost 600 goals against the last two seasons.
Feel free to continue to insult the messenger instead of the message though, thats what CP does when someone doesn't go along with the groupthink.
Understandable that we're all starved for prospect success and want so badly for the Flames draft picks to pan out but to pile on someones scouting abilities because Kanzig apparently had a few good shifts in an intra-squad game in July is a bit extreme.
He has been a bad WHL defenseman the past two seasons...he may very well develop yet (and hopefully does) but he has a long way to go still.
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I'm not discounting your opinion, great to hear it and great to hear positives too. Need both to make everything work but those are great stats, he's on a team thats allowed 600 goals and he's scored none and yet he's still only -27. Thats actually incredible. Shutdown dman.
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07-13-2013, 06:57 PM
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#951
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Well if we are going to use junior stats to determine how a player translates in to NHL potential, lemme lay these on you.
Many years ago there was a G in the Quebec league who through 3 seasons put up the following numbers..
786 GA for a GAA of 5.42
That player? .....Patrick Roy....and drafted in the 3rd round.
Trying to extrapolate anything concrete from junior numbers as to how it will apply in the NHL is pure foolishness.
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Those numbers don't mean a lot without context. In the early '80s QMJHL a 4.00 GAA was about as good as it got. Roy still had the best sv% in the league over his final 2 seasons there.
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07-13-2013, 07:28 PM
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#952
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Wow, this Kanzig argument is still going on? Are you not watching what he's doing out there right now? Who cares what his stats were this past year. I'm looking at him now, in this camp, and seeing a guy who's showing potential and excellent NHL size. #### what he did in the past, what matters is what he does now and down the road and whether he can develop into what we all think he can become just by looking at him in this camp.
If you want to get into how useless stats sheets in junior or AHL for that matter are in indicating a player's worth, look at Reinhart this past year. If you were judging purely by his +/- and lack of production at that level you'd think he was a bag of pucks. But no, he came up and played great in his stint here. Really don't see what people are going on about when we have proof right in front of us that he isn't useless, but the complete opposite.. It's especially dumb when it comes to defensemen.
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07-13-2013, 07:35 PM
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#953
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Norm!
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The most important rule in a pissing match is to not cross the streams.
Its just really bad.
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07-13-2013, 07:53 PM
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#954
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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What I like about Kanzig is he may have started off his WHL career like Red John described him but he's shown lots of improvement. That's what I like to see in all our prospects and probably the big reason why we drafted Poirier instead of the other guy.
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07-13-2013, 08:29 PM
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#955
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
The most important rule in a pissing match is to not cross the streams.
Its just really bad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZ...layer_embedded
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07-13-2013, 08:38 PM
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#956
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Originally Posted by nittmo
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ftfy
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07-13-2013, 09:11 PM
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#957
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18 years old. 6'7 240lbs with 7% body fat tells me either aliens have landed or he's extremely driven.
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07-13-2013, 09:12 PM
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#958
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Had an idea!
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You can't teach genetics.
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07-13-2013, 09:18 PM
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#959
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Originally Posted by T@T
18 years old. 6'7 240lbs with 7% body fat tells me either aliens have landed or he's extremely driven.
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Imagine how many calories he consumes... I'm guessing 6-7k a day.
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07-13-2013, 09:39 PM
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#960
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by transplant99
A lot of good showings by guys today....very encouraging.
One thing i have concluded in my viewings though....Patrick Seiloff will, without question, play in the NHL ...and probably for many many years. He isnt a "star" type player, but one of those guys every single team needs on D. He reminds me a whole bunch of Steve Staios actually....and other guys of that mold. Solid pick by Feaster and company.
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any guesses when he can play?
really excited... I mean I love to hear about Monohan and Jankowski and so forth, but we got a major weakness at D and would love to see what and when Sieloff and Wotherspoon can come play. We could use a sargent back there.
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