Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why NDP voters would give up that influence and the ability to actually push forward policy to fulfill some Conservative fantasy of an election while PP is leading the polls, I have no idea. Who in their right mind would think that’s smart?

I keep seeing this line of rhetoric, yet what NDP led policies have been put forward and actually implemented? Even the highly touted dental care on which the agreement was signed on is coming up far short from the promise so far.

Here is the initial agreement announcement.

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-re...he%20agreement.

As for the plan itself, here is where is currently in place as of today.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-age...l-benefit.html

Depending on your adjusted family net income, a tax-free payment of $260, $390, or $650 is available for each eligible child. You can apply for a maximum of 2 payments per child.

Applications are open until June 30, 2024 for:

dental care received between July 1, 2023 and June 30, 2024
one additional payment if you meet the criteria

Benefit amounts per eligible child
Adjusted family net income Full custody amount Shared custody amount
less than $70,000 $650 $325
$70,000 to $79,999 $390 $195
$80,000 to $89,999 $260 $130
$90,000 or more not eligible not eligible

The actual dental plan is supposedly to be provided later this fall, but considering we are now almost 2 years in the announcement with a token gesture provided as a tax benefit, Liberals sure are getting quite a bit of their own pet projects voted in first ahead of this touted NDP seal of pride.

This was worth being mired deep in the C-11, C-18, foreign interference controversies aiding the Liberals in a coalition while also sharing part of the blame for the housing crisis and inflation? The polls sure don't seem to show the NDP benefiting from this coalition deal, it's likely hard for Canadians to jump for joy at a couple hundred a year they may or may not be eligible for with their rent and mortgage payments going up couple hundred to a thousand a month.

Now the NDP has little reason to go to the polls today as a result of poor decision, but they are also living in a pipedream if they think the Liberals will suddenly pass NDP led policies when Liberals know the NDP have just as much to lose with an election and it would be an empty threat.

The NDP should be branding itself as a Liberal alternative and have the prime opportunity to do so, but want to remain attached to Liberals at the hip. It's going to be a costly mistake.

[iggy_oi]

I’m sure the NDP will take any advice an unbiased poster such as Firebot has to offer them.

[Locke]

I dunno, I think the NDP are, at the moment, about as good as they're going to get.

I know they have funding issues, they have support issues, but propping up a minority Liberal Government for them is a big win.

They're never going to form Government and their ideology seems incompatible with the Conservatives, so...this seems like their 'best case scenario.'

They actually have a little bit of influence. I dont think they're really pressing that influence hard enough, but thats just an opinion. I get it. Singh and Trudeau dont want to lose their positions because actually working for a living sucks.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m sure the NDP will take any advice an unbiased poster such as Firebot has to offer them.

Why thank you for the vote of confidence!

NDP can NDP as much as they wish.

Canadians who voted for the NDP by election

2011 4,508,474 Layton
2015 3,469,368 Mulcair
2019 2,903,722 Singh
2021 3,036,348 Singh

NDP are currently polling around 18% despite Liberal losing heavy ground, and despite claims from posters in the past that Liberal voters are more likely to go to the NDP and vice versa.

But hey, keep the same downtrend path forward. I will gladly agree and not object.

[PepsiFree]

Calling it a downward trend isn’t going to scare anyone into change when the only people who view it as a downward trend are the type of Conservatives who you couldn’t pay to vote any other way.

As Locke pointed out, they’re basically treading water. As I already said, they went from a situation where Singh was likely getting to the boot to actually being in a position to gain some ground policy-wise for the people of Canada. Once this partnership runs its course, Singh isn’t going to be around much longer. He’s just not a winner and the platforms under his watch have been lacking. But for now it’s the best of a less than ideal situation, and you’d have to be stupid to rush through it if you’re the NDP.

But yeah, I’m sure they’re super interested in taking advice from Conservatives who are Canada’s defacto second choice and still can’t score a W despite the “worst government in history” LOL. Better ask Charlie Brown how to kick a football next.

[Firebot]

Thanks for providing the perfect analogy to represent the Liberal-NDP coalition!



This time Mr. Singh I promise you will get your policy. Just vote in C-11 and C-18 and it will come for sure.

I also noticed, that my rather simple and genuine question about policies wasn't answered. Meh whatever, the NDP can cling to this illusion of power.

For all the sarcastic retort of Canada's "second choice" soon to likely be the majority choice based on current sentiment, the NDP will forever stay a distant third by their own choosing. But they got a pseudo dental care plan agreed to by the governing party, so they have that to brag about for the next few decades while they fall in irrelevancy I guess.

Again I am totally all for this.

[PepsiFree]

Re-using the same analogy I just used is marginally better than stealing a random meme or a spinning wheel, if only because I am a superior choice for who to copy, but I feel like you could do better overall.

[Firebot]

It's late, this is it for today. Charlie Brown memes wouldn't be my first choice but I rolled with your suggestion.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Why thank you for the vote of confidence!

NDP can NDP as much as they wish.

Canadians who voted for the NDP by election

2011 4,508,474 Layton
2015 3,469,368 Mulcair
2019 2,903,722 Singh
2021 3,036,348 Singh

NDP are currently polling around 18% despite Liberal losing heavy ground, and despite claims from posters in the past that Liberal voters are more likely to go to the NDP and vice versa.

But hey, keep the same downtrend path forward. I will gladly agree and not object.

Your insecurities are on full display here Firebot

[Red Slinger]

Tommy Douglas ring a bell?

[Ozy_Flame]

Not sure where to put this, but figured it is worth posting. I think things are going to get worse for Dougie before they get better.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711790117361238076

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1698069739510063125


Valid point.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I actually like Musk’s definition.

“ A good sign as to whether there is free speech is, is someone you don’t like allowed to say something you don’t like? If that is the case, we have free speech. It’s damn annoying when someone you don’t like says something you don’t like. That is the sign of a healthy, functioning free speech situation.”

Musk who has banned accounts that poke fun at him

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not sure where to put this, but figured it is worth posting. I think things are going to get worse for Dougie before they get better.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711790117361238076

####ing finally.

[Fuzz]

https://canadaehx.com/2022/06/11/the...nada-pipeline/


Bit of a longer read, but a very interesting one on the Trans-Canada Pipeline and the politics around it.

Proposals were rejected twice before Alberta granted permission to export gas from the province. The province had wanted to ensure that gas reserves would be sufficient for its 30-year needs, with the intent of only allowing exports in excess of those needs.



British Columbia would express anger towards the pipeline, which completely ignored the province.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711819458304528722


Pierre continues to show us why he isn't at all suited for the job of PM. About the only thing he can do is be a ragey little attack dog barking for popularity.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711819458304528722


Pierre continues to show us why he isn't at all suited for the job of PM. About the only thing he can do is be a ragey little attack dog barking for popularity.

This story blew up online two days ago - journalists were already publicly clarifying that Canada (and Japan) were excluded from the statement because they don’t have nuclear weapons, and therefore aren’t part of the Quint. If Poilievre is making this statement now, then he knows full well why Canada wasn’t included, and is choosing to spread misinformation willingly.

[Fuzz]

Oh, he knows exactly what he is doing. That's what makes him unsuitable to be PM.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

This story blew up online two days ago - journalists were already publicly clarifying that Canada (and Japan) were excluded from the statement because they don’t have nuclear weapons, and therefore aren’t part of the Quint. If Poilievre is making this statement now, then he knows full well why Canada wasn’t included, and is choosing to spread misinformation willingly.

I gotta say...I know Canada doesnt have Nuclear weapons and neither does Japan, but Italy does? Italy? Really?

Do they use them in their Cafes as coasters?

Italy? Seriously?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh, he knows exactly what he is doing. That's what makes him unsuitable to be PM.

We don't really have any current politician suitable to be PM.