Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This could make things interesting.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1710401819006931005

I guess the NDP must know that they have Trudeau by the balls now, considering the last thing the Liberals want is an election.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

I guess the NDP must know that they have Trudeau by the balls now, considering the last thing the Liberals want is an election.

The last thing in the world is for the NDP to go into an election. Aren't they still paying off their credit cards from the last election?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I think this time it's going to be voter fatigue.
People seem to be saying they're just sick of Trudeau and the liberals and they want a change.

Best thing the Liberals can do to stay in power is have Trudeau take a walk in the snow.

Probably best for the party but in terms of gaining an upswing in votes who do you promote?

Freeland? Probably not going to move the needle, at least positively.
Maybe Carney? Honestly anyone from the cabinet is probably a non starter as it would be viewed imo as more of the same.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

I guess the NDP must know that they have Trudeau by the balls now, considering the last thing the Liberals want is an election.

Yeah, I think it's a shrewd move by the party. That said, as others have mentioned, it's the Liberals who will get credit for it when election rolls around.

It really depends on how you view the NDP and their purpose is. I've never voted for them with the idea that they could win an election. I've voted for them because I want them to be able to push through some of their platform in situations like this.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Probably best for the party but in terms of gaining an upswing in votes who do you promote?

Freeland? Probably not going to move the needle, at least positively.
Maybe Carney? Honestly anyone from the cabinet is probably a non starter as it would be viewed imo as more of the same.

I know people have suggested Nenshi, but I think they're dead in the water in Quebec with him at the helm.

Joly is probably the only cabinet member that hasn't been totally ruined by the current government, but I don't think she's a terrific candidate by any stretch.

[Weitz]

I suspect there will be a spring election.

NDP will realize any continued support of the liberals will hurt them going forward.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I suspect there will be a spring election.

NDP will realize any continued support of the liberals will hurt them going forward.

I highly doubt it. Conservative voters love cutting off their nose to spite their face, but as an NDP voter, I am not alone in being just fine with the current situation. I know why the NDP is supporting the Liberals, and it’s working, and they’re currently the most influential federal NDP party in… forever?

Why NDP voters would give up that influence and the ability to actually push forward policy to fulfill some Conservative fantasy of an election while PP is leading the polls, I have no idea. Who in their right mind would think that’s smart?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I suspect there will be a spring election.

NDP will realize any continued support of the liberals will hurt them going forward.

Oh no! The NDP might drop from 3rd place to 3rd place! What a disaster!

EDIT: Actually, triggering a spring election would be the one thing that might piss NDP voters off enough to ditch Singh. So again, don't see it happening.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I know people have suggested Nenshi, but I think they're dead in the water in Quebec with him at the helm.

Joly is probably the only cabinet member that hasn't been totally ruined by the current government, but I don't think she's a terrific candidate by any stretch.

I think her prominence in the public eye alongside Trudeau essentially poisons the well due to her prominence and stature within the party.

Maybe I'm wrong, but to play devils advocate I see her as more of the same. Hand in hand, along party lines, that sort of thing.

I don't think she's perfect, agreed but not horrible. I just see her stature within the party all this time as possibly a negative. My two cents.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I think her prominence in the public eye alongside Trudeau essentially poisons the well due to her prominence and stature within the party.

Maybe I'm wrong, but to play devils advocate I see her as more of the same. Hand in hand, along party lines, that sort of thing.

I don't think she's perfect, agreed but not horrible. I just see her stature within the party all this time as possibly a negative. My two cents.

Yeah, I think her profile has been relatively small in comparison. I don't think the average voter really knows who she is in comparison to someone like Freeland.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The last thing in the world is for the NDP to go into an election. Aren't they still paying off their credit cards from the last election?

They're the NDP; someone else will pay for it.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Oh no! The NDP might drop from 3rd place to 3rd place! What a disaster!

EDIT: Actually, triggering a spring election would be the one thing that might piss NDP voters off enough to ditch Singh. So again, don't see it happening.

I suspect we see some of their “platform” get pushed further out in the current financial climate and with their support dropping they will not see benefit in sticking around to support the liberals.

Could be right could be wrong. Really don’t care either way.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

They're the NDP; someone else will pay for it.

They could start by making giant corporations and the ultra rich pay a teensy bit more.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I highly doubt it. Conservative voters love cutting off their nose to spite their face, but as an NDP voter, I am not alone in being just fine with the current situation. I know why the NDP is supporting the Liberals, and it’s working, and they’re currently the most influential federal NDP party in… forever?

Why NDP voters would give up that influence and the ability to actually push forward policy to fulfill some Conservative fantasy of an election while PP is leading the polls, I have no idea. Who in their right mind would think that’s smart?

Because its a short term win at cost of long term being lumped with the likely the worst Liberal government ever.

Its not a bad strategy for a party that knows it will never have majority. The NDP was pretty proud of their one accomplishment in medicare for decades. Honestly do you need a party for that?

Long short of it, Being the main reason you’re continuing to support an awful government for concessions is fine. Your base will never leave, but nor will you grow. The conservatives are surging because they have separated from the Liberals and offered a real alternative. I think the NDP would do better to step away and show that break recognizing its a law of diminishing returns.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The conservatives are surging because they have separated from the Liberals and offered a real alternative.

... Huh?

When did the CPC "separate" from the liberals? They've literally always been the alternative. This makes no sense.

The thing I don't respect about the NDP supply and confidence deal is that they're doing it while constantly talking about how terrible the Trudeau government is and how he's an awful Prime Minister and so on... it rings hollow when you're the reason he's still there. If you're going to support him, support him - or at least give us the "well, we don't agree with that decision, but let me tell you what we're working on with the support of the government". They're never talking about what they've actually accomplished by propping this clown show up.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Because its a short term win at cost of long term being lumped with the likely the worst Liberal government ever.

Its not a bad strategy for a party that knows it will never have majority. The NDP was pretty proud of their one accomplishment in medicare for decades. Honestly do you need a party for that?

Long short of it, Being the main reason you’re continuing to support an awful government for concessions is fine. Your base will never leave, but nor will you grow. The conservatives are surging because they have separated from the Liberals and offered a real alternative. I think the NDP would do better to step away and show that break recognizing its a law of diminishing returns.

lol the Conservatives are “surging” because the Liberals are failing and, in Canada, people flip flop between the Liberals and Conservatives once one of the other has overstayed its welcome. That’s it. They haven’t “separated” themselves any more than they’ve always been separate and aren’t looking any better today than they have previously pre-election with Scheer or O’Toole.

Politically, none of what you’re saying makes any sense. If you’re a Conservative voter, of course you want the NDP to break away, because that actually gives you a shot. It’s so see-through it’s unreal. Conservatives could easily roll over the Liberals without NDP support right now, so of course you have these made up reasons why it’s actually “bad” long term or whatever.

NDP supporters recognize that Singh isn’t going to be PM at this point. He’s had his shot and hasn’t gained ground. After the last election, the direction was either this, or him going away, and if anything supporting Liberals in exchange for moving policy forward makes him look better.

Conservatives should figure out the value of co-operation. You can scream about the worst Liberal government in history until you’re blue in the face, but only one of the NDP or Conservatives have been able to use that situation to help the country. You guys just stomp around crying about “woke” instead of getting anything done. It’s pathetic.

[rubecube]

If Alberta politics has taught me anything, it's that all the moral grandstanding about ethics and transparency in government that Conservatives do when they're out of power seems to quickly disappear and the silence becomes deafening once they've obtained power.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by rubecube

If Alberta politics has taught me anything, it's that all the moral grandstanding about ethics and transparency in government that Conservatives do when they're out of power seems to quickly disappear and the silence becomes deafening once they've obtained power.

More appropriately your comment should just read

If politics has taught me anything, it's that all the moral grandstanding about ethics and transparency in government that parties do when they're out of power seems to quickly disappear and the silence becomes deafening once they've obtained power.

[GioforPM]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM View Post
The conservatives are surging because they have separated from the Liberals and offered a real alternative."

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... Huh?

When did the CPC "separate" from the liberals? They've literally always been the alternative. This makes no sense.

The thing I don't respect about the NDP supply and confidence deal is that they're doing it while constantly talking about how terrible the Trudeau government is and how he's an awful Prime Minister and so on... it rings hollow when you're the reason he's still there. If you're going to support him, support him - or at least give us the "well, we don't agree with that decision, but let me tell you what we're working on with the support of the government". They're never talking about what they've actually accomplished by propping this clown show up.

This is not a quote of any post I made and if you click on it, it's a completely different post - weird

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

"Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM View Post
The conservatives are surging because they have separated from the Liberals and offered a real alternative."



This is not a quote of any post I made and if you click on it, it's a completely different post - weird

Yeah, it's actually a quote of OldDutch's post here. Really odd.