10-01-2023, 08:01 PM
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#9141
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
That’s not my idea of freedom of speech.
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What is your idea of freedom of speech?
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10-01-2023, 08:08 PM
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#9142
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iggy_oi
What is your idea of freedom of speech?
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I actually like Musk’s definition.
“ A good sign as to whether there is free speech is, is someone you don’t like allowed to say something you don’t like? If that is the case, we have free speech. It’s damn annoying when someone you don’t like says something you don’t like. That is the sign of a healthy, functioning free speech situation.”
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10-01-2023, 08:12 PM
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#9143
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In Your MCP
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Watching Hot Dog Hans
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Seems to me the ones who hate this restriction the most are the ones who work in media or have platforms that broadcast media.
Wait a sec……
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10-01-2023, 08:26 PM
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#9144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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So according to that definition of free speech, how does that snippet that Greenwald posted show a threat to that?
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10-01-2023, 08:36 PM
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#9146
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Franchise Player
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It's possible that by implementing clumsy requirements to provide information that people don't have or would be difficult to obtain and report would discourage or prevent some broadcasts... Basically dissuasion through bureaucracy, which is often a highly effective method. Especially if you happen to impose those regulations more strictly against certain types of broadcasts (not even necessarily based on their content).
It's essentially the same theory underlying voter ID laws - it doesn't really prevent anyone from voting, just adds extra compliance steps that some people just aren't going to be willing to undertake. If those people happen to tend to be your political opponents, well, what a coincidence.
Maybe this regime will be so easy and non-invasive that that won't be a real problem, I don't know. But it's certainly conceivable.
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10-01-2023, 08:45 PM
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#9147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Possibly, but if you're making > $10 million from your podcast or whatever, I think you'd just jump through the hoops to keep that going wouldn't you? Who's it really dissuading? Is there some contingent of successful social media stars that are like, "ah, screw this, too much work to comply!"
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10-01-2023, 08:47 PM
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#9148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
It’s good that we’re asking Yoho how this infringes on freedom of speech because that feels like a question he’ll definitely answer.
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It would be sad if he didn't take the opportunity to exercise his freedom of speech before Trudeau strips him of it.
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10-01-2023, 08:50 PM
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#9149
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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I just can’t see the CRTC signing off on an individual or group that was highly critical of the ruling party with this.
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10-01-2023, 08:50 PM
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#9150
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wormius
Possibly, but if you're making > $10 million from your podcast or whatever, I think you'd just jump through the hoops to keep that going wouldn't you? Who's it really dissuading? Is there some contingent of successful social media stars that are like, "ah, screw this, too much work to comply!"
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Yeah the $10 million threshold probably alleviates most of the concerns - I guess the question is, is it $10 million in CANADIAN revenue? Because if you make a pittance from Canadians and most of your revenue is in the USA you might just not bother.
It will also as usual be a matter of how they implement the Cancon requirements but that sort of interference in broadcasting in Canada is nothing new.
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10-01-2023, 08:55 PM
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#9152
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
We understand this doesn’t apply to individual podcasts, right?
YouTube has all your data, don’t worry.
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Online services that offer podcasts must register.
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10-01-2023, 08:57 PM
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#9153
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
Online services that offer podcasts must register.
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Correct. Do you understand that an online service that offers podcast is not a podcast, and that a podcast would be one of the podcasts that the online service offers, and would not have to register itself?
Spotify is an online service that offers podcasts. Joe Rogan is not, it’s a podcast.
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10-01-2023, 08:58 PM
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#9154
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
I just can’t see the CRTC signing off on an individual or group that was highly critical of the ruling party with this.
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Signing off on what exactly?
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10-01-2023, 09:03 PM
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#9155
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Correct. Do you understand that an online service that offers podcast is not a podcast, and that a podcast would be one of the podcasts that the online service offers, and would not have to register itself?
Spotify is an online service that offers podcasts. Joe Rogan is not, it’s a podcast.
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So they would just get rid of Rumble or not authorize it.
YouTube censors on its own already.
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10-01-2023, 09:12 PM
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#9156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
So they would just get rid of Rumble or not authorize it.
YouTube censors on its own already.
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Haha of course you’re concerned about Rumble. Had to look it up and that tracks.
Rumble is free to register just like every other online streaming service. Nobody is going to be “getting rid” of it or in charge of “authorizing” it.
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10-01-2023, 09:14 PM
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#9157
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Haha of course you’re concerned about Rumble. Had to look it up and that tracks.
Rumble is free to register just like every other online streaming service. Nobody is going to be “getting rid” of it or in charge of “authorizing” it.
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Would they not have to register or get CRTC approval?
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10-01-2023, 09:37 PM
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#9158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
Would they not have to register or get CRTC approval?
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Yeah, they have to fill out a form. Extremely scary.
Nobody is authorizing them or approving them on the basis of what they put on the form, nor will they “get rid” of them. Traditional broadcasters actually need a license, telecommunications companies just need to register. This is far closer to the latter.
The only ones who will stop Rumble from operating in Canada is Rumble.
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10-01-2023, 09:54 PM
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#9159
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Yeah, they have to fill out a form. Extremely scary.
Nobody is authorizing them or approving them on the basis of what they put on the form, nor will they “get rid” of them. Traditional broadcasters actually need a license, telecommunications companies just need to register. This is far closer to the latter.
The only ones who will stop Rumble from operating in Canada is Rumble.
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I wish I had your confidence in the matter.
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10-01-2023, 09:56 PM
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#9160
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Did I read that right or did it say those that make over $10 million even have to worry about this?
This isn't some blanket crackdown on the average Canadian.
But I guess if Elon is upset, it must be important.
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