SCF: Florida Panthers (A3) vs Edmonton Oilers (P3) - PANTHERS WIIIIN 4-2!!!

[3rd liner]

Re: the panthers looking tired. Like somebody said earlier- this is their third cup final in three years. Silly question here, but is altitude still a thing? We always used to hear about players adjusting to calgary altitude (1045m), p*sstown's altitude is 671 m. Florida (Sunrise) is 31 m.
With all the technology NHL teams have access to maybe altitude adjustment isn't a thing anymore. Just wondering if that could factor in as well?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You realize that getting 4 first overall picks in six years isn't something you can just "try" into, right?

That's why the Oilers are where they are.

And teams are capped now, just as the Oilers should've been then.

And not to mention, they ruined 3 of those picks! How many teams get that opportunity?


I do love it when Coilers fans are all "Just be like the Coilers." The Coilers sucked SO BADLY that they had to change the rules to stop the sucking from ruining MORE players. There's now a system in place to prevent teams from sucking as much as the Coilers sucked.


And after all of that, it STILL took them 9 years to do anything with what they were given. And that's only because the NHL has gotten behind them and pushed them every step of the way.

[Goriders]

I didn’t watch the game but I see the nightmare continues

[Ashasx]

nobody wants to be just like the oilers, but I would sure like to have a franchise center to build a team around

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Both the Panthers and Oilers tanked to get elite players. That's why they're likely both about to have a cup. That's the only way you can win.

Well, it also helped Florida that we gifted them Tkachuk and Bennett. And got Huberghost and a draft pick that turned into a rapist in return.

Vegas and St. Louis didn't.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yeah. That's why I said there are two extremes. But you don't need to draft McDavid to win the Cup, as evidenced by the fact he's never done it before. But I think this organization has also been able to proceed largely unbothered by their lack of success because they haven't been challenged on it nearly as much as they should be. There's a model that seems to work and it's a lot closer to what Edmonton has done than what Calgary has, even though Edmonton undeniably fluked their way into it.

I think the Oilers are a complete oulier.

For most teams to build a championship they need a lot of things to go right and make a lot of good decisions. They draft well, they make good trades, they sign strong UFAs. It all comes together.

The Oilers are not that.

Are they better or worse at drafting than the average? Worse
Are they better or worse at developing players? Worse
Are they better or worse at trades? Worse
Are they better or worse at UFAs? Average at best.

The Oilers are good at 2 things:
1. Drafting Connor McDavid
2. Signing POS players that other organizations kicked out.

That's it.

The Oilers aren't a model of anything. They did 2 things right. They won a lottery and they drafted McDavid.

Because if you erase that they were doing ALL the other parts in terms of bottoming out and getting a bunch of high picks. At they STILL failed.

They aren't a model.

The Panthers, Lightning, Avs - those are models.

The Oilers aren't that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Both the Panthers and Oilers tanked to get elite players. That's why they're likely both about to have a cup. That's the only way you can win.

Well, it also helped Florida that we gifted them Tkachuk and Bennett. And got Huberghost and a draft pick that turned into a rapist in return.

The Panthers did that but they did a LOT more than that. That's how you build a championship team - through a series of really good decisions.

Bucketing the Oilers and Panthers together is insulting to Florida.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would like to live in a world where Flames fans hold their team to the standard of being able to compete with the very best instead of just pretending that their provincial rival is still somehow a leaguewide joke. They're in the Stanley Cup Final for Christ's sake! What basis do we truly have to be sanctimonious anymore?

Some of us were young kids in school here in Calgary in the 80’s, and had to tolerate all the bandwagon jock kids year after year who would show up in Oilers jerseys and ridicule everyone who dared to wear a Flames jersey.

We lived through an entire decade of a garbage franchise run by a literal criminal as they Gretzky/Messier’d their way to cup after cup after cup. The Flames were actually a pretty good team during those years too, but no one gave a because they didn’t have 99 and 11 winning them cups every year.

And now you’re wondering why we’re not happy about having to watch this still-garbage franchise being run by yet another criminal as they McDavid/Draisaitl their way to possibly more cups?

Nobody here just woke up one day and said “hey let’s all hate the Oiler.” This hatred has been earned and cultivated for over forty years of some of the most egregious amounts of obnoxiousness you could ever imagine.

[3rd liner]

Sorry gang, I should have watched more of the game lol. In total I watched about 8-10 min, in which the cats scored twice (to make it 3-1) and I saw somebody flatten Pissy and somebody else flatten Kane. I'm just distancing myself from the whole ordeal because seeing the grease pigs and their home fans just angers me, and distraction and distance is good.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It is incredible to f### up three first overalls. And then only hit when you literally can't miss (McDavid).

And yes, RNH is a fine NHLer but a dud for a 1st overall.

Sorry, what should you be praised for exactly, Coilers?

A team run by apes quite possible could've done better lmao.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would like to live in a world where Flames fans hold their team to the standard of being able to compete with the very best instead of just pretending that their provincial rival is still somehow a leaguewide joke. They're in the Stanley Cup Final for Christ's sake! What basis do we truly have to be sanctimonious anymore?

I don’t think I made a single bull#### post in the oilers are no good thread because I knew deep down that there is no hockey gods. You can sign a wife beater, you can sign someone released for sexual assault, you can suck for years and game the lottery system, you can game LTIR and at the end of the day it’s just the cost of winning. There is no moral high ground. Vegas , Tampa , Pens, Hawks, all guilty of doing something shady to win and they all got away with it. There is no moral high ground. You do what is needed to win or you are in the mushy middle.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by traptor

You dont necessarily need a McDavid but you do need a
One or two draisatl, barkov, mack, makars, kucherov, hedman, Bergeron, Kanes, doughtys or crosbys.


Teams with the top players win. All these guys have been top 5 players in the league at their times.

The teams with these caliber of players win more often then not.

Being a blue collar, lunch pale team might get us in but it won't get us a cup.

And that's the danger in rebuilding without acquiring any top-tier elite players; you could top out as a Dallas or a Carolina and never get over the hump.

Man, hockey sure is hard when you aren't gifted the best player in the world in a g****mn lottery.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the Oilers are a complete oulier.

For most teams to build a championship they need a lot of things to go right and make a lot of good decisions. They draft well, they make good trades, they sign strong UFAs. It all comes together.

The Oilers are not that.

Are they better or worse at drafting than the average? Worse
Are they better or worse at developing players? Worse
Are they better or worse at trades? Worse
Are they better or worse at UFAs? Average at best.

The Oilers are good at 2 things:
1. Drafting Connor McDavid
2. Signing POS players that other organizations kicked out.

That's it.

The Oilers aren't a model of anything. They did 2 things right. They won a lottery and they drafted McDavid.

Because if you erase that they were doing ALL the other parts in terms of bottoming out and getting a bunch of high picks. At they STILL failed.

They aren't a model.

The Panthers, Lightning, Avs - those are models.

The Oilers aren't that.

I hate the Oilers as much as anyone but that's just not accurate. Unfortunately they have had success with drafting, trades and UFAs. Atleast on the top end. I guess they havn't produced very many bottom 6ers? Hurray?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Some of us were young kids in school here in Calgary in the 80’s, and had to tolerate all the bandwagon jock kids year after year who would show up in Oilers jerseys and ridicule everyone who dared to wear a Flames jersey.

We lived through an entire decade of a garbage franchise run by a literal criminal as they Gretzky/Messier’d their way to cup after cup after cup. The Flames were actually a pretty good team during those years too, but no one gave a because they didn’t have 99 and 11 winning them cups every year.

And now you’re wondering why we’re not happy about having to watch this still-garbage franchise being run by yet another criminal as they McDavid/Draisaitl their way to possibly more cups?

Nobody here just woke up one day and said “hey let’s all hate the Oiler.” This hatred has been earned and cultivated for over forty years of some of the most egregious amounts of obnoxiousness you could ever imagine.

Ok. But what does that have to do with wanting the Flames to be as competitive as their rivals are? At least you got to see them in the '80s. The Flames have never been a legit contender in my entire time watching them. Shouldn't we expect better?

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the Oilers are a complete oulier.

For most teams to build a championship they need a lot of things to go right and make a lot of good decisions. They draft well, they make good trades, they sign strong UFAs. It all comes together.

The Oilers are not that.

Are they better or worse at drafting than the average? Worse
Are they better or worse at developing players? Worse
Are they better or worse at trades? Worse
Are they better or worse at UFAs? Average at best.

The Oilers are good at 2 things:
1. Drafting Connor McDavid
2. Signing POS players that other organizations kicked out.

That's it.

The Oilers aren't a model of anything. They did 2 things right. They won a lottery and they drafted McDavid.

Because if you erase that they were doing ALL the other parts in terms of bottoming out and getting a bunch of high picks. At they STILL failed.

They aren't a model.

The Panthers, Lightning, Avs - those are models.

The Oilers aren't that.

Oilers success #3 (hate to say it)- Drafting draisaitl. Right now if I had to pick a player from the oilers I'd like knocked out of the series it wouldn't even be McDiver, it'd be Leon. Draisaitl is lights out this season. Teams just can't seem to contain him, whereas some teams have had more success slowing down McDiver.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It is incredible to f### up three first overalls. And then only hit when you literally can't miss (McDavid).

And yes, RNH is a fine NHLer but a dud for a 1st overall.

Sorry, what should you be praised for exactly, Coilers?

A team run by apes quite possible could've done better lmao.

I feel the need to defend the apes here.

[Yobbo]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Some of us were young kids in school here in Calgary in the 80’s, and had to tolerate all the bandwagon jock kids year after year who would show up in Oilers jerseys and ridicule everyone who dared to wear a Flames jersey.

We lived through an entire decade of a garbage franchise run by a literal criminal as they Gretzky/Messier’d their way to cup after cup after cup. The Flames were actually a pretty good team during those years too, but no one gave a because they didn’t have 99 and 11 winning them cups every year.

And now you’re wondering why we’re not happy about having to watch this still-garbage franchise being run by yet another criminal as they McDavid/Draisaitl their way to possibly more cups?

Nobody here just woke up one day and said “hey let’s all hate the Oiler.” This hatred has been earned and cultivated for over forty years of some of the most egregious amounts of obnoxiousness you could ever imagine.

Bang on brother! For those of us that are old enough to remember those days, it's the main reason our hatred of that team runs so deep. The younger generation hasn't seen nor lived through those years and it shows in their posts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

I hate the Oilers as much as anyone but that's just not accurate. Unfortunately they have had success with drafting, trades and UFAs. Atleast on the top end. I guess they havn't produced very many bottom 6ers? Hurray?

Winning a lottery for McDavid with a 10% chance (0% by current rules) and then picking him is not good drafting. It was also 2 or 3 GMs ago

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Some of us were young kids in school here in Calgary in the 80’s, and had to tolerate all the bandwagon jock kids year after year who would show up in Oilers jerseys and ridicule everyone who dared to wear a Flames jersey.

We lived through an entire decade of a garbage franchise run by a literal criminal as they Gretzky/Messier’d their way to cup after cup after cup. The Flames were actually a pretty good team during those years too, but no one gave a because they didn’t have 99 and 11 winning them cups every year.

And now you’re wondering why we’re not happy about having to watch this still-garbage franchise being run by yet another criminal as they McDavid/Draisaitl their way to possibly more cups?

Nobody here just woke up one day and said “hey let’s all hate the Oiler.” This hatred has been earned and cultivated for over forty years of some of the most egregious amounts of obnoxiousness you could ever imagine.

This was beautiful. I want to screenshot it and show it to anybody I see in the next week or so that questions me for not cheering for a 'canadian team'.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by traptor

I hate the Oilers as much as anyone but that's just not accurate. Unfortunately they have had success with drafting, trades and UFAs. Atleast on the top end. I guess they havn't produced very many bottom 6ers? Hurray?

They are measurably one of the worst drafting teams in the nhl