Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The party base are mostly normal decent people who believe in balanced budgets, capitalizing on our resources, developing incentives for entrepreneurs, and making people feel proud they are Canadian.

You realize it is the party base that supported these resolutions, right? Or are you saying normal decent people are also bigots? I'm confused.

[Izzle]

Hilarious how the doctor wussed out of this thread.

[Doctorfever]

Doc in surgery. Later

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Air quotes majority as if its completely fictitious.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/bus...44243.amp.html

Conservatives have pledged to tie municipal funding to housing starts increasing supply thus lower price and this reducing the largest household debt.

Or is this only an issue when you are struggling or 4% more Canadians cross the one paycheck line? Or the NDP come up with it?

Posts a poll showing less than a majority self-reporting living paycheque to paycheque as evidence of the majority struggling a significant amount.

Do you think living paycheque to paycheque is synonymous with “significant” struggle? Do you think people who are able to pay their bills, buy groceries, do whatever, but have no savings are all “struggling”?

Or is it just an issue for you because the Conservatives are pretending to care about it this cycle? Did you vote for the NDP when they were putting forth proposals that would focus on helping low income Canadians? Or did you still vote Conservative because you “care”? lol

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Maybe they're on to something. Euthanasia at age 70 is probably in the best interest of the country. Gets rid of the dead weight and frees up housing.



Millenials can live like the kings and queens we were born to be!

Meh, I plan on draining the system for at least 20 more years.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Locke

As any reasonable society should.

That, or the 'Baffin Island Retirement Home and Polar Bear Preserve.'

It'd free up housing, get some of that inheritance money flowing, kick start the economy, ease the burden on the Health Care system, its wins all around really.

Don 't make it sound too good. Just think of all that wisdom you would miss.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Hilarious how the doctor wussed out of this thread.

A doctor with a family doesn't have time to argue with you on your schedule. What a wuss.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Damn, a white cardboard sign? What has Trudeau done to us?

Clearly not enough; I want to see more representation of cardboard signs of colour.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Apologies for not providing proper links, but I have heard (through podcasts) that there is a weird perception that people think the economy is doing poorly, but that on a personal level, the same people report doing well. This was almost certainly US reporting, but I think it is likely true in Canada. Either way, it sounds like a bad idea to govern based on “feelings” that most of us are a pair of flames tickets away from insolvency.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Clearly not enough; I want to see more representation of cardboard signs of colour.

How can she afford colour cardboard under Trudeau?!?!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The party base are mostly normal decent people who believe in balanced budgets, capitalizing on our resources, developing incentives for entrepreneurs, and making people feel proud they are Canadian.

The issue is just that the CPC "base" is fundamentally different from the rest of Canada in how they view the world. Every political party's base will tell you they want balanced budgets, incentives for entrepreneurs, and making people feel proud they are Canadian. Those are bland political goals short on policy and whether or not they've been achieved or how they're to be achieved will depend on the skew of your political bias. All the parties believe in those things. For example, balanced budget can happen via increasing taxes on wealthy or cutting spending. An NDP or Liberal voter would tell you that limiting abortion in other countries or some other CPC policy would make them feel less proud to be a Canadian.

The bigger issue is that the CPC "base" is wildly out of step from average Canadian views on some major issues and that's why every election the CPC leader starts losing ground once the voters start looking beyond the superficial "who's cooler" and start focusing on campaign stuff.

a) Climate change is man made and a serious threat:
CPC: 37%
Lib: 91%
NDP: 90%
Bloc: 92%
Green: 92%

b) The government should NOT revoke charitable status for pro-life organizations:
CPC: 56%
Lib: 24%
NDP: 18%
Bloc: 13%

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Clearly not enough; I want to see more representation of cardboard signs of colour.

“Judge her not by the colour of her cardboard, but by the content of her character whether she ‘looks homeless’ or not.”

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

A doctor with a family doesn't have time to argue with you on your schedule. What a wuss.

Lol.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The issue is just that the CPC "base" is fundamentally different from the rest of Canada in how they view the world. Every political party's base will tell you they want balanced budgets, incentives for entrepreneurs, and making people feel proud they are Canadian. Those are bland political goals short on policy and whether or not they've been achieved or how they're to be achieved will depend on the skew of your political bias. All the parties believe in those things. For example, balanced budget can happen via increasing taxes on wealthy or cutting spending. An NDP or Liberal voter would tell you that limiting abortion in other countries or some other CPC policy would make them feel less proud to be a Canadian.

The bigger issue is that the CPC "base" is wildly out of step from average Canadian views on some major issues and that's why every election the CPC leader starts losing ground once the voters start looking beyond the superficial "who's cooler" and start focusing on campaign stuff.

a) Climate change is man made and a serious threat:
CPC: 37%
Lib: 91%
NDP: 90%
Bloc: 92%
Green: 92%

b) The government should NOT revoke charitable status for pro-life organizations:
CPC: 56%
Lib: 24%
NDP: 18%
Bloc: 13%

At the present stage i.e. with an election possibly 2 years away, I don't believe it would benefit the Conservatives to start laying out the details of their platform. There is enough things to criticize the Liberals for without having to do that.

Regarding (a) from what I understand there was quite a wide difference of opinions on how to deal with Climate Change, and I would suggest the numbers probably reflect more the priority of the voters on dealing with Climate Change vs what they perceive as more serious matters for Canada at this time.

Personally, I believe Canada is in a position to capitalize on its resource abundance and fight world Climate Change at the same time. I also believe that our Energy Industry will play a prominent role in helping to solve Climate Change.

Regarding (b) I am a strong Pro Choice advocate, and the party normally avoids any vote on this matter.

Also, PP is not bound to include the policies adopted at policy conventions into an eventual election platform.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

At the present stage i.e. with an election possibly 2 years away, I don't believe it would benefit the Conservatives to start laying out the details of their platform. There is enough things to criticize the Liberals for without having to do that.

Regarding (a) from what I understand there was quite a wide difference of opinions on how to deal with Climate Change, and I would suggest the numbers probably reflect more the priority of the voters on dealing with Climate Change vs what they perceive as more serious matters for Canada at this time.

Personally, I believe Canada is in a position to capitalize on its resource abundance and fight world Climate Change at the same time. I also believe that our Energy Industry will play a prominent role in helping to solve Climate Change.

Regarding (b) I am a strong Pro Choice advocate, and the party normally avoids any vote on this matter.

Also, PP is not bound to include the policies adopted at policy conventions into an eventual election platform.

What? So they’re just keeping this a secret for some reason? I’d think if they truly cared about Canadians then maybe they’d share this awesome platform and try somehow to make it happen before an election. My reaction to this is PP, and the party in general, don’t give a flying fata about making things better for Canadians.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

a) Climate change is man made and a serious threat:
CPC: 37%
Lib: 91%
NDP: 90%
Bloc: 92%
Green: 92%

I laughed out loud. Just who are these 8% of green voters who are in the dark regarding climate change?

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Apologies for not providing proper links, but I have heard (through podcasts) that there is a weird perception that people think the economy is doing poorly, but that on a personal level, the same people report doing well. This was almost certainly US reporting, but I think it is likely true in Canada. Either way, it sounds like a bad idea to govern based on “feelings” that most of us are a pair of flames tickets away from insolvency.

It's the conservative mindset. Everyone's either a millionaire or a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. If you're the latter it's all because of liberal policies holding you back and preventing you from getting rich.

But then when the conservatives are in power, anyone who is struggling or not getting what they want from life brought all their problems upon themselves.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The way this MAID program is trending, you may be able to have your wish.

*Audible groan. Like ****, haha.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Hilarious how the doctor wussed out of this thread.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Doc in surgery. Later

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

A doctor with a family doesn't have time to argue with you on your schedule. What a wuss.

I really hope you were posting this ironically, Windsor.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Wormius

What? So they’re just keeping this a secret for some reason? I’d think if they truly cared about Canadians then maybe they’d share this awesome platform and try somehow to make it happen before an election. My reaction to this is PP, and the party in general, don’t give a flying fata about making things better for Canadians.

It's Conservative policy to not have a solid platform, precisely so that they can't get called out on it by critics. You can't criticize their platform if they keep a deliberate haze over it, leaving it open to interpretation and to be amorphous enough that it can be molded with vague platitudes into whatever they need it to be. It's all quite deliberate.

The party's convention is so that leadership can pay lip service to the various factions within the base: nothing more. It "gave the grassroots members of the party a chance to have their voice heard at the national level," they'll say.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

This is such a boomer statement, and akin to baby-crazy grandparents making their children feel like #### for not following traditional family values.

Usually people who says this have kids who find it a chore to be around their parents in their old age.

Loneliness will find us all...