Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Torture]

T4s? Tell me you are a poor that works for the man without telling me you work for the man. It's all about T5s babeee


*not a serious post.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1643307042403147778

Needs to happen unfortunate municipalities can’t protect its own citizens but happy to see this.

[Fuzz]

Are these EPS and CPS officers, or is this shoveling more Sheriffs into our cities?

[PsYcNeT]

Just gonna leave this here

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...algary-eng.htm

[timun]

Originally Posted by Slava

But more to the heart of the matter is this line. [The NDP] will assuredly be worse for me and my taxes. That's actually my main dislike of them. The disingenuous "tax the rich* and corporations". Sounds great because no one thinks they're rich. Then they define rich at some obviously middle class level, and it costs a pile of us more money. Same kind of thing with corporations. It sounds great because that sounds like it's going to be massive corporations and "they'll hardly notice". But in reality, most of the corporations are small businesses and "just taxing" us isn't unnoticed. It actually all comes from the same wallet!

For the record the NDP lowered the small business income tax rate to the current 2%.

[Mr.Coffee]

I'm okay with more law enforcement and that might be the right move, but I think a bigger issue needs to be opening the can of worms that is detention / proper jail time for drug and low level offences. These are not people that should be instantly just released back onto the street and better incarceration and availability for drug rehabilitation services needs to be made available. Otherwise it's kind of a useless endless cycle.

[btimbit]

If it was as simple as throwing more cops at the problem it never would have gotten this bad in the first place

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by btimbit

If it was as simple as throwing more cops at the problem it never would have gotten this bad in the first place

I dunno about that. Increased presence and enforcement probably doesn't hurt at all and does reduce crime.

[Cappy]

It still amazes me they closed the only downtown police station a few years ago.

[DFO]

It’s unfortunate that Alberta fiscal conservatism starts and stops with ‘low taxes’. The government can (usually does) piss away untold billions but nary a peep as long as royalties keep those taxes artificially low.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Look within the last 40 posts in this thread. Debunk what?

The lack of logic in what they post and to expose the absence of any back bone to support their own views.

These online keyboard warriors who can’t back up what they say are no different than the people who feel “confident” enough in their views to put absurd political bumper stickers on their vehicles but throw a fit if you try and have a rational discussion with them that leads to pointing out some of the gaps in the “logic” they use to support those views.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1643307042403147778

Needs to happen unfortunate municipalities can’t protect its own citizens but happy to see this.

I seem to recall Ottawa having some difficulty protecting its citizens about a year ago and you complaining about other levels of government intervening.

It’s almost as if you’re a complete and total hypocrite.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Just gonna leave this here

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...algary-eng.htm

Maybe use stats that don't pre-date everything going to hell in a handbasket circa 2020. I don't necessarily think things are as bad as the perception is, but using stats that only go up to 2018 is not convincing anyone.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The lack of logic in what they post and to expose the absence of any back bone to support their own views.

These online keyboard warriors who can’t back up what they say are no different than the people who feel “confident” enough in their views to put absurd political bumper stickers on their vehicles but throw a fit if you try and have a rational discussion with them that leads to pointing out some of the gaps in the “logic” they use to support those views.

Uh, are we reading the same posts? Within the last 40 posts, all you guys are doing is slinging turds at a turd.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Uh, are we reading the same posts? Within the last 40 posts, all you guys are doing is slinging turds at a turd.

And it's ####ing cathartic. Today has been fun!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Needs to happen unfortunate municipalities can’t protect its own citizens but happy to see this.

Why do you keep doing this? Do you get such a boner from seeing a tweet in that little fartbox of an echochamber you call mom's basement that you become incapable of typing actual sentences while sharing?

It's is not plural. Their in this case. You might think it's spelt THEY'RE but you're wrong.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Uh, are we reading the same posts? Within the last 40 posts, all you guys are doing is slinging turds at a turd.

I’m not speaking on behalf of anyone else or defending what they are posting, at the same time I don’t see how your complaining about the comments are people making is providing any more positive of a contribution.

[btimbit]

What we need from higher levels of government are laws and funding for treatment options. That's what the Cities need but don't have the power to introduce themselves. More cops doesn't help if the cops can't actually do anything

But the UCP knows that, they have no interest in solving anything, just perception and vote buying

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Maybe use stats that don't pre-date everything going to hell in a handbasket circa 2020. I don't necessarily think things are as bad as the perception is, but using stats that only go up to 2018 is not convincing anyone.

I mean you have to work with the data that's available. Vagrancy and the like has gone up sure, but the things that matter most like Violent Crime can only be quantified with published police-reported numbers.

Legislating based off perception is bad governance.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I seem to recall Ottawa having some difficulty protecting its citizens about a year ago and you complaining about other levels of government intervening.

It’s almost as if you’re a complete and total hypocrite.

Careful, reminding people of what they have said in the past can now be considered slander, you'll have approximately 30 days to recant your statement or provide a T4 and your grade 7 transcript to compare income and education!

[PepsiFree]

When you weave in the policing discussion, the tax discussion gets extra funny.

The UCP reduces the amount of funding to cities like Calgary, which means they have to either increase taxes to make up the difference or reduce things like policing. This creates one of two problems, which the UCP then pretends to fix by temporarily knocking a few cents off a litre of gas and promising to hire more police officers.

The UCP is responsible for higher personal taxes and worse services, give half assed promises and gestures that don’t begin to fix the problem they created, and yet people still view them as the economic conservative/tough on crime type of party and rant about sole city councils and the high tax NDP. Hilarious.