ECR2: Florida Panthers (A3) vs Toronto Maple Leafs (A1) - PANTHERS WIN 4-3

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Ped

Except if you look at what ActiveStick posted, it's clear their numbers take a huge drop (with the exception of Tavares, who still drops but much less) from Games 1-4, through Games 5-7.


Nylander:
Games 1-4 34 points in 33 games 1.03 PPG
Games 5-7 16 points in 19 games 0.84 PPG

Matthews:
Games 1-4 40 points in 36 games 1.11 PPG
Games 5-7 11 points in 17 games 0.65 PPG


Tavares:
Games 1-4 23 points in 33 games 0.70 PPG
Games 5-7 10 points in 16 games 0.63 PPG


Marner:
Games 1-4 43 points in 36 games 1.19 PPG
Games 5-7 6 points (0 goals) in 19 games 0.32 PPG

You don't win games on points relative to yourself at other times, it's a meaningless comparison.

I don't mean to say those are great numbers either, just not terrible.

[bdubbs]

6 assists in 19 games (all on the latter half of a 7 game series) is not considered terrible? Man I need to work for you if that's your standard.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The way Marner is being run down by some for being a huge useless sack of crap only makes me want him more. Feels like that treatment is usually reserved for guys who inevitably flourish somewhere else. Member when people had no interest in Eichel because his neck was a pez dispenser? Or "can't win with him" O'Reilly? Or "product of playing with MacKinnon" Rantanen?

Or Sam “ do you want to play 3rd line wing or 4th line C here in Calgary” Bennett

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

6 assists in 19 games (all on the latter half of a 7 game series) is not considered terrible? Man I need to work for you if that's your standard.

Presumably those games get tighter defensively but those numbers still aren’t great for guys who are supposed to be stars. Matthew’s may be the best since Datsyuk at stripping the puck from players, so I give him credit for that. But between him and Marner they do not get dirty. They’ll go around guys but won’t go through them. It’s been an issue forever. As a star player you have to get your hands dirty every now and then. Those two specifically just do not. Nylander and Tavares will get to dirty places to get goals and play with a mean streak. Marner and Matthews, nope.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah that's my feeling as well which is why them going after Ekblad wouldn't be surprising but they are locked into their top 5 defensemen for the next three years so there's only so much tinkering he can do on the back end.

I don’t know if they need another stay at home dman? It fits Tre to take the flavour of the month but Ekblad is on the wrong side of his trajectory. Not to say Karlsson isn’t but I think they need that #1 offensive guy on the back end. He still has it and he can skate.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Didn't you say, numerous times, that Marner will not leave?







On Tavares, looks like he is leaving, or staying, or both.

The Leafs absolutely wanted to re-sign Marner they wanted to sign Marner and at the time Marner wanted to stay. As negotiations continued and things got heated between the Marner camp and the team on dollars and term, the Marner camp decided they would test free agency. As I said he would not waive his NMC and would either reach a deal with the Leafs or go to UFA. Timeline is important here. Thanks for proving me right again though squiggs, you do it better than anyone else. I think you should probably stick to snake graphs.

[dino7c]

wouldn't it be something is the Leafs win tomorrow lol

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

wouldn't it be something is the Leafs win tomorrow lol

It would be funny, especially if Florida then wins game 7 on the road, as we'd probably see a dozen more jersey tosses. But for the sake of us potentially needing Florida to be healthy and rested should the Oilers make the finals, I would rather it end tomorrow lol

[Reggie Dunlop]

Thrown Leafs jersey slides past Toronto defence and ends up in net.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05...-of-their-net/

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The way Marner is being run down by some for being a huge useless sack of crap only makes me want him more. Feels like that treatment is usually reserved for guys who inevitably flourish somewhere else. Member when people had no interest in Eichel because his neck was a pez dispenser? Or "can't win with him" O'Reilly? Or "product of playing with MacKinnon" Rantanen?

You’re really reaching. I’ve already commented on how the O’Reilly narrative was more about his off-ice demeanour than his play on the ice. The narrative about Rantanen lasted about three weeks. And he already had a large body of playoff games to show that yes, he’s very effective in big games in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, the Leafs have fallen on their face again and again and again and again in elimination games. Marner hasn’t showed up in any of them. This isn’t just optics - the results speak for themselves.

Do you think there’s no such thing as players who play well in the regular season but struggle to be effective in the playoffs? Or do you think there is, but Marner isn’t one of them?

[Ped]

Of course, the other problem with the Leafs is that the bottom 6 is not producing at all, so no one is stepping up when the big guns are silenced.


Laughton, Lorentz, McMann, Jarnkrok, and Holmberg have zero goals in a combined 53 games.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I can’t wait for Treliving‘s ‘the buck stops here’ speech after they get eliminated

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ped

Of course, the other problem with the Leafs is that the bottom 6 is not producing at all, so no one is stepping up when the big guns are silenced.


Laughton, Lorentz, McMann, Jarnkrok, and Holmberg have zero goals in a combined 53 games.

It's almost as if...and hear me out here...they're not very talented.

I think the 3rd line of the Panthers is outscoring those 6 all together. Heck, they might be outscoring Marner and Matthews in this series.

The problem of a Treliving team is that the depth is about size and defense, but no offense.

[savemedrzaius]

I don't know if I want them to win or just lose to get it over with but I will be watching.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Thrown Leafs jersey slides past Toronto defence and ends up in net.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05...-of-their-net/

This ones better

"“One day I’ll be dead and I won’t have to watch this team,” thinks Leafs fan to cheer himself up"

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05...er-himself-up/

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

This ones better

"“One day I’ll be dead and I won’t have to watch this team,” thinks Leafs fan to cheer himself up"

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05...er-himself-up/

maybe some Leafs can be paul bearer's...so they can let you down one last time

honestly I think it would be hilarious if they win game six and the fans have to get ramped back up

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

wouldn't it be something is the Leafs win tomorrow lol

I actually think they will win tonight and most of my circle and the rest of Leaf Nation believes the same. They're also all convinced they'll come out for Game 7 with an effort similiar to Game 5 though and lose the series in embarassing fashion. Getting into the psyche of Leaf fans over the last couple of years since I've relocated to Toronto is fascinating! These people are damaged!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

maybe some Leafs can be paul bearer's...so they can let you down one last time

honestly I think it would be hilarious if they win game six and the fans have to get ramped back up

It could happen, but I honestly see very, very little people getting ramped back up. As I said in my earlier post, nobody here believes the Leafs will come back. Everyone is done with this core and this team. It's actually pretty sad to witness.

[Itse]

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Originally Posted by bdubbs

6 assists in 19 games (all on the latter half of a 7 game series) is not considered terrible? Man I need to work for you if that's your standard.

Nah dude, it's really annoying to work with people who don't bother to follow conversations but still budge in with their "expertise" and "humour".

Originally Posted by Itse

Outside of Marner, those aren't terrible numbers.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

maybe some Leafs can be paul bearer's...so they can let you down one last time

honestly I think it would be hilarious if they win game six and the fans have to get ramped back up

It is hilarious. The way the fans and media are talking, this series is already over and Marner is gone.

There's still a game 6 to be played.