[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If Iginla is moved, you must as well clean house and start anew. A general apathy seems to be in the lockerroom that goes beyond the camp and has settled on this team for years. Iginla alone isn't the problem so moving him won't be the only solution.

You don't have to move them all now but this years deadline is a good time to move Iginla and one of Cammaleri/Tanguay or Giordano/Bouwmeester.

Comeau has picked up his game and played hard all season, I wonder if Feaster flips him for a 4th or 5th rounder. All picks count at this point.

No way. The objective isn't to become a perpetual bottom dweller. Which is what you accomplish if you trade everyone. The objective is to offload pieces like iginla, Kipper, and Bouwmeester that will get you a strong return and who won't be part of the team beyond next season.

If you can get a solid return for him then Cammalleri is on the list. But I would keep players like Tanguay. Assuming he wants to stay and you don't have a monster offer for him.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by The Coppernian One

Who do you realistically see trading for Kiprusoff at the deadline? When I look at the standings I don't really see a western conference team that needs to trade for him. You could make arguments for San Jose or Detroit, but do they need him enough to give up a 1st and a prospect? I don't think they do at his age. Most have established #1s and even the tandems like St. Louis aren't going to want a goalie of Kipper's age. In the east you've basically got Toronto. Maybe Carolina (how long is Ward out for?) but that's it.

I also think Tanguay is overvalued and a lot of the prospects you get back (say in a Giordano or Stempniak trade) are going to be career AHL type (if that) prospects. Even in Iginla's case a team is likely not going to part with a true high end prospect for a rental player.

It's a good point, and I guess I should have clarified that I'm not in the 'blow it up camp'

Admittedly, I forgot how abysmal the goalie market is this year... so if any assets were to be returned for Kipper's final year (if he in fact doesn't want to re-sign). I'm more thinking that that would be all we would accept for Kipper from a team that wants him (this applies for all the other player's valuations). It's what I think we could return, if a trading partner was willing.

Beyond that, keep all of the above. Hopefully some are able to find suitors to help bolster our draft.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by neo45

I really doubt Tanguay could return a 1st or 2nd round pick given his contract term and the way he played in Tampa Bay. His numbers look alright but if any team actually watches the Flames they probably wouldn't take Tanguay for free.

Plus, I am sure he has a NTC and is settled in Calgary

Admittedly a 2nd is more likely, but I don't think a 1st is out of the question.

For example, it's pretty well known that Boston and Pittsburgh are interested in Iginla to bolster their wing. Is it that unreasonable to think that the looser of those sweepstakes are going to look at Tanguay or Cammalleri as an consolation?

I don't see Pittsburgh being too upset at acquiring Tanguay to feed Crosby beauties.

And I'll agree that some GMs may be hesitant considering his play in Tampa... but we are talking about a highly talented winger who's played on the top line most of his career and earned a special little ring.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Exactly.

Cammy's salary may not be the most attractive for a trade piece, but I would be looking everywhere for a trade partner who would be willing to take on Cammy in exchange for a bigger/grittier player or draft pick.

As long as Hartley is coach, Tangs isn't going anywhere. Moving Cammy frees up the top 6 position for Sven, who may or may not need more time in the AHL. Moving Cammy should coincide with Sven being ready for prime time which may not be until next year.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Keep Tanguay. His skillset will age better, and a passer can help younger skill players develop better than a sniper.

Move Cammalleri.

With one more year on his contract @ $6M, Cammy almost has negative trade value right now. Not many teams can shoulder that at this point.

He'll have excellent value at next year's deadline though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by neo45

I didn't. Why would a GM want 4 years of Tanguay at 3.5 with a NTC?

There is a legitimate chance that he would clear waivers at this point

How's that blue pill been treating you, sir?

[speeds]

Originally Posted by The Coppernian One

Who do you realistically see trading for Kiprusoff at the deadline? When I look at the standings I don't really see a western conference team that needs to trade for him. You could make arguments for San Jose or Detroit, but do they need him enough to give up a 1st and a prospect? I don't think they do at his age. Most have established #1s and even the tandems like St. Louis aren't going to want a goalie of Kipper's age. In the east you've basically got Toronto. Maybe Carolina (how long is Ward out for?) but that's it.

I also think Tanguay is overvalued and a lot of the prospects you get back (say in a Giordano or Stempniak trade) are going to be career AHL type (if that) prospects. Even in Iginla's case a team is likely not going to part with a true high end prospect for a rental player.

The Islanders are a pretty good fit as well.

They could use a goalie, are in the playoff race, and more than most teams wouldn't care about Kiprusoff's cap hit next season. In fact, the high cap hit vs. actual salary is a nice feature for them.

Don't think they'd move a 1st for him, but they do have some prospects and 2nd and lower picks.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

With one more year on his contract @ $6M, Cammy almost has negative trade value right now. Not many teams can shoulder that at this point.

He'll have excellent value at next year's deadline though.

Under the new CBA the Flames can keep up to half his cap hit and salary for the rest of his contract. What is his trade value if his cap hit is only $3M-$4 for next year? There is a big opportunity for rich teams to use their money to 'buy' assets under this CBA in my opinion. I think we could really ramp up a 'rebuild' by taking advantage of this.

Imagine what Bouwmeester could be worth with a cap hit of 3.3 to 4.5 for next year. With the cap going down I could see a team that thinks it has a window of this year and next being willing to give up a lot for that extra cap space.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GGG

If you are a desparate seller the price goes down. I want feaster to be quiet and make deals. I think Feasters statement of no changes is a positive sign. Its the classic the coaches job is safe statement. Remember the blow it up before the deadlines statement that was all bluster? This is the oppisite

Don't colour me surprised if the deadline comes and goes and none of the key pieces on this team are moved for assets....... followed by the team putting together a run and finishing 10th.

After all, why mess with a formula that works every time without fail?

[really?]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Don't colour me surprised if the deadline comes and goes and none of the key pieces on this team are moved for assets....... followed by the team putting together a run and finishing 10th.

After all, why mess with a formula that works every time without fail?

While I appreciate the sarcasm and tend to share your skepticism, it has to be acknowledged that the inevitable inactivity of the Flames may be more a product of underwhelming returns being offered for Flames players than an unwillingness to finally turn the page. Even the most inept of management types would have to acknowledge that we've seen show before and it doesn't end well. Unless the Flames have discovered the fountain of youth, and are keeping it to themselves, next year will bring further erosion for the aging core of this team. Sadly, if the Flames can finally see the flaw in their thinking, other teams see this as well.

I'd like to think that vets like Iginla, Kipper, and even JBo could be sent to teams who are built for present success, but I fear that the Flames are now dealing from a position of weakness because they failed to make these moves a year or two ago. Perhaps Feaster will surprise and swing some solid deals, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't move assets because the return would lead to him being skewered.

If Feaster wants to survive this era he's gonna have to dance with fire and accept picks, not second tier prospects, for his vets, and then bust his hump to make sure those picks are used in a wise fashion.

[browna]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Under the new CBA the Flames can keep up to half his cap hit and salary for the rest of his contract. What is his trade value if his cap hit is only $3M-$4 for next year? There is a big opportunity for rich teams to use their money to 'buy' assets under this CBA in my opinion. I think we could really ramp up a 'rebuild' by taking advantage of this.

IMO whoever the Flames may have in their sights at trade deadline as summer buyout candidates (though sounds like upper management has bigger fish to fry at this point), this may be a better and cheaper alternative. IMO that could be Cammalleri or Tanguay, among others(or none) could be on that list. If that's going to be the way they are planning to proceed, save some of that cap space now by trading some of the paid contract with the player for something in return.

[David Struch]

Offering to eat half a players contract could be a likely scenario for Feaster to recoup Calgary's 2nd rounder this year, with the price of a 2nd rounder established to be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3.5 million dollars. (Kotalik)

[oldschoolcalgary]

If you can get a first round pick for Tanguay, Feaster should trade him. Now.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

With one more year on his contract @ $6M, Cammy almost has negative trade value right now. Not many teams can shoulder that at this point.

He'll have excellent value at next year's deadline though.

Have u seen his goal totals this year?