[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by browna

I think Iginla is in a REAL tough situation, for many reasons. He's got some control over the situation, but not total control. The consequences of going, or staying, will be many and affect himself, his image and obviously the organization's future. Delicate to deal with and a lot of moving parts.

True.....however every opinion poll and most posters on this board want a full out rebuild.

I think the consequences of staying will be more negative than if he were to leave.

For the record. I want him to stay, however I want that extra first rounder.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

How does New Jersey remain competive year after year, lose a star player here make an amazing trade for Loktoniov here. I really would like to get in there heads.

They don't. They were recently one of the worst teams in the league for a full season. The coach turned them around, Elias and Brodeur have stayed really good as well

[Dajazz]

I wouldn't want to be in Iginla's shoes. If he stays and signs a new contract to market value, that'll be too much (WHAT, no home town discount!). If we trade him we'll almost never be satisfied with the return.

The only way for Iginla to "win" is to accept a trade, win a cup, resign at a home town discount in the summer while mentoring a new batch of stars... likely? Naw.

No way to please us all, good luck to him I say

Edit*

As for Feaster, I have completely lost all faith in him as a GM. Either he is all talk, or handcuffed, good signings but a smart man would start moving out supplementary players like Stempniak and dare I say Tanguay & Cammalleri who has been all but missing lately.

[Split98]

It drives me absolutely crazy to think that the Trade Deadline could come and go with nothing significant done.

Just to reiterate what people on here have already said (and for my own recollection)... we could have:

Iginla - 1st and a prospect
Tanguay - 1st or 2nd and a prospect
Cammallery - 1st or 2nd and a prospect
Bouwmeester - 1st and a prospect
or
Giordano - 2nd and a prospect
Kiprusoff - 1st and a prospect
Stempniak - 2nd and possible prospect

Now obviously this is an oversimplification of everything, but IMO some of these happening are realistic. All? No, that's too many buyers. But some? Absolutely.

That would leave our team still filling a roster with Stajan, Backlund, Baertschi, Brodie, Gio/Bouw, Ramo, MacDonald, Gaudreau, Glencross, Smith, Wideman, Hudler, and Cervenka plus whoever above is still on the team?

AND possibly re-signing Iginla next year?

Plus with this years draft, and the prospects I could see us getting back for Iginla, Bouw and Kipper... we could be adding 3-5 NHL ready prospects as early as next year (if this years Draft really produces what it's hyped to produce). Plus what we'd be adding to the pipeline for the next years to come.

I really hope Feaster is looking at the fun they're having in Montreal right now realizing that this is our year to make a splash. I know that Montreal didn't blow it up, but their jump is certainly coming from their added youth.

[Erick Estrada]

^^^
I think you are a little overly optimistic on the returns for some of these players like Tanguay in particular. Don't think Kipper will bring you back a first round pick either.

[The Fonz]

Other than Kipper, I don't see Split over valuing the other players.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Iginla speaking about giving us a playoff shot. Of taking advantage of the next two home games.

One, I don't want a team fighting for a long shot of 8 place. I want a team firmly on the playoffs fighting for home ice advantage and being spoke of as one the the Stanley Cup contenders. Feaster said that is the objective. So far Feaster is full of crap.

This is the key here - merely making the playoffs shouldn't be considered good enough.

With the position the Flames are in, 8th spot is pretty much the best possible outcome. And we have to pass 7 teams to get there. And we're already in 15th - 5 points back of 8th. And the reward is a Chicago team that currently has twice as many points as us right now.

Even if you think this team can go on a run, this isn't the year where you slip into 8th and do some damage. You could argue that last year was as there really wasn't a dominant team in the West. This year there clearly is and if you look at all these things from an intellectually honest perspective it's pretty obvious that it's not worth the risk.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Other than Kipper, I don't see Split over valuing the other players.

I really doubt Tanguay could return a 1st or 2nd round pick given his contract term and the way he played in Tampa Bay. His numbers look alright but if any team actually watches the Flames they probably wouldn't take Tanguay for free.

Plus, I am sure he has a NTC and is settled in Calgary

[nik-]

Originally Posted by neo45

His numbers look alright but if any team actually watches the Flames they probably wouldn't take Tanguay for free.

What?

He might not get a first, but that doesn't mean we need to get ridiculous to downplay his value.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by nik-

What?

He might not get a first, but that doesn't mean we need to get ridiculous to downplay his value.

I didn't. Why would a GM want 4 years of Tanguay at 3.5 with a NTC?

There is a legitimate chance that he would clear waivers at this point

[nik-]

Originally Posted by neo45

I didn't. Why would a GM want 4 years of Tanguay at 3.5 with a NTC?

There is a legitimate chance that he would clear waivers at this point

Oy vey.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

What?

He might not get a first, but that doesn't mean we need to get ridiculous to downplay his value.

It does seem like a very silly thing to say, but I totally get where he's coming from. + / - is a very subjective stat, but having watched the games, Tanguay is full value for his -8 rating. Despite his 20 points, he causes way more harm than good, not sure why anyone would want to add him into the playoffs, his coughing up the puck at his own blue line and through the nutral zone with his idiotic pass attempts is bound to cost you a playoff series eventually.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by neo45

I didn't. Why would a GM want 4 years of Tanguay at 3.5 with a NTC?

There is a legitimate chance that he would clear waivers at this point

LOL, i think its past your bedtime.

[Brannigans Law]

If the Bernier and a pick for Iggy talk that has been floated by Retro is true, Flames management would be brain damaged not to do it.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

If the Bernier and a pick for Iggy talk that has been floated by Retro is true, Flames management would be brain damaged not to do it.

The pick is going to LA in the proposal discussed in the other thread. It's Iginla+ for Bernier.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

The pick is going to LA in the proposal discussed in the other thread. It's Iginla+ for Bernier.

I'd still do it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

I'd still do it.

That's terrible.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by nik-

That's terrible.

I should preface that by saying I believe Bernier will be a Quick-level all star. I could be wrong

[The Coppernian One]

Originally Posted by Split98

Iginla - 1st and a prospect
Tanguay - 1st or 2nd and a prospect
Cammallery - 1st or 2nd and a prospect
Bouwmeester - 1st and a prospect
or
Giordano - 2nd and a prospect
Kiprusoff - 1st and a prospect
Stempniak - 2nd and possible prospect

Who do you realistically see trading for Kiprusoff at the deadline? When I look at the standings I don't really see a western conference team that needs to trade for him. You could make arguments for San Jose or Detroit, but do they need him enough to give up a 1st and a prospect? I don't think they do at his age. Most have established #1s and even the tandems like St. Louis aren't going to want a goalie of Kipper's age. In the east you've basically got Toronto. Maybe Carolina (how long is Ward out for?) but that's it.

I also think Tanguay is overvalued and a lot of the prospects you get back (say in a Giordano or Stempniak trade) are going to be career AHL type (if that) prospects. Even in Iginla's case a team is likely not going to part with a true high end prospect for a rental player.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by The Coppernian One

Who do you realistically see trading for Kiprusoff at the deadline? When I look at the standings I don't really see a western conference team that needs to trade for him. You could make arguments for San Jose or Detroit, but do they need him enough to give up a 1st and a prospect? I don't think they do at his age. Most have established #1s and even the tandems like St. Louis aren't going to want a goalie of Kipper's age. In the east you've basically got Toronto. Maybe Carolina (how long is Ward out for?) but that's it.

I also think Tanguay is overvalued and a lot of the prospects you get back (say in a Giordano or Stempniak trade) are going to be career AHL type (if that) prospects. Even in Iginla's case a team is likely not going to part with a true high end prospect for a rental player.

Basing this on what? Your gut feel? You may very well be right, but you are no more right than those who feel a top prospect could be had. Will all depend on the number of teams that actually are interested come deadline time.

On the goalie front, I think you are underestimating the market as well. For example, Chicago is playing very well, but how confident are they that Emery and Crawford actually can get it done? See some shaky goaltending from them over the next month and you could potentially see Chicago showing some interest in an established playoff performer in that position.