2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ColoradoFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames do not possess a 2nd-rounder this year, having traded it for Hamonic.

I would have zero issue trading Mangiapane and a 3rd for Zuccarello, but I bet there would be better offers. Sticking around NYC, I'd also offer that same package for one of Johansson or Boyle from the Devils.

I kind of like the idea of Boyle. Likely cheap enough, seems like a good enough guy, bottom six type, big enough to handle and lean on opponents.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I look forward to seeing how much your list changes in 2021 because I think its wayyyy to early to be coming up with full lists like this.

Meh, of course everything is hypothetical, we're fans. It's just my best guess right now and obviously it could change, especially if the Flames make any big acquisitions. I'm not suggesting that'll be what Treliving/whoever comes up with in two years, but as the roster currently projects to shake up, it seems reasonable to me.

[Geeoff]

Mangiapane is a 6th round pick with 0 goals in the NHL. He's not gonna be the main piece in any return for a good player. Better to keep him and see if he works out.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Meh, of course everything is hypothetical, we're fans. It's just my best guess right now and obviously it could change, especially if the Flames make any big acquisitions. I'm not suggesting that'll be what Treliving/whoever comes up with in two years, but as the roster currently projects to shake up, it seems reasonable to me.

I agree but I think it is also not reasonable to suggest trades to prepare for an expansion draft in two years. I also think TJ Brodie should be traded but that is because I think his value is over-inflated because of Giordano and it would be nice to sell high with a few young guys ready (or close) to take his spot.

In October, I would like to see these pairs (playing similar amount of minutes):

Kylington-Giordano
Hanifin-Valimaki
Andersson-Hamonic

I think if given the opportunity, Kylington can become a top d-man for the team. He will also benefit the most playing with Giordano who can cover up some of his mistakes.

[TheScorpion]

I don't think TJ Brodie should be traded because of an expansion draft. I think he should be dealt for the same reason I thought Micheal Ferland was a "must-trade" heading into last summer -- because his value is at an all-time high, he's entering the last year of his deal, and he can likely be replaced internally with ease.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think TJ Brodie should be traded because of an expansion draft. I think he should be dealt for the same reason I thought Micheal Ferland was a "must-trade" heading into last summer -- because his value is at an all-time high, he's entering the last year of his deal, and he can likely be replaced internally with ease.

Then that is my bad, I guess we are on the same page.

[Gaskal]

My armchair GM moves:

Trade Brodie out east, probably to Toronto. Stone remains for a season as 7th D man and then walks.

Move Kylington to Giordano's right. I think he stands to benefit the most should he make a successful transition to being a lefty RD. Peters always said you need to be a very good skater to play your opposite side on D, and Oliver moves like the second coming of Erik Karlsson. Also more willing to shoot the puck than Brodie.

Keep Hanifin and Hamonic together long term and start giving Valimaki/Andersson increasing responsibilities / minutes. Make a deal with Seattle to keep the D corps intact.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I agree but I think it is also not reasonable to suggest trades to prepare for an expansion draft in two years. I also think TJ Brodie should be traded but that is because I think his value is over-inflated because of Giordano and it would be nice to sell high with a few young guys ready (or close) to take his spot...

I tend to agree in principle about Brodie, but I also worry about how this works out practically. There seems to be this notion that because Brodies can excel on his off-side playing with Giordano, then everyone can. It seems specious making this assumption...

In October, I would like to see these pairs (playing similar amount of minutes):

Kylington-Giordano
Hanifin-Valimaki
Andersson-Hamonic

I think if given the opportunity, Kylington can become a top d-man for the team. He will also benefit the most playing with Giordano who can cover up some of his mistakes.

...and here you have a defenseman on each pair playing his off-side. This looks to me like a disaster in the making largely on the premise of well Brodie can play on his off-side. He can do it—that does not mean that everyone else can.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I tend to agree in principle about Brodie, but I also worry about how this works out practically. There seems to be this notion that because Brodies can excel on his off-side playing with Giordano, then everyone can. It seems specious making this assumption...


...and here you have a defenseman on each pair playing his off-side. This looks to me like a disaster in the making largely on the premise of well Brodie can play on his off-side. He can do it—that does not mean that everyone else can.

That is fair and definitely something that can backfire. That being said, I still would like to see Kylington play with Giordano haha

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That is fair and definitely something that can backfire. That being said, I still would like to see Kylington play with Giordano haha

Yeah, I think my preference would be to see Andersson with Giordano next year, and alternatively Kylington.

Something that should be factored into this conversation is the succession plan for Giordano as early as 2020–21. He looks good enough that he should continue close to his same effectiveness for another year, but heading into the 2020 season he is going to be 37-years-old. I have one of Valimaki or Hanifin earmarked as a potential replacement for Giordano, who I could see slipping back to the second/third pairing with Hamonic by that point:

Giordano · Andersson
Hanifin · Hamonic
Valimaki · Kylington(?)

and eventually ...

Hanifin · Andersson
Valimaki · Kylington(?)
Giordano · Hamonic

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

My armchair GM moves:

Trade Brodie out east, probably to Toronto. Stone remains for a season as 7th D man and then walks.

Move Kylington to Giordano's right. I think he stands to benefit the most should he make a successful transition to being a lefty RD. Peters always said you need to be a very good skater to play your opposite side on D, and Oliver moves like the second coming of Erik Karlsson. Also more willing to shoot the puck than Brodie.

Keep Hanifin and Hamonic together long term and start giving Valimaki/Andersson increasing responsibilities / minutes. Make a deal with Seattle to keep the D corps intact.

I think Anderson moves up with Giordano. Him And Gio have some good chemistry. When the flames are down and with the goalie pulled it has been him and Gio on the ice everytime and it usually leads to a goal.

[sa226]

Logically I understand, but I hate the idea of moving Brodie, only because as superhuman as he may be, we may not have that many years left of peak Giordano.

Hell, if you're purely maximizing assets for longevity, you move Giordano first. But thats crazy talk.

Interesting problem to have.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think TJ Brodie should be traded because of an expansion draft. I think he should be dealt for the same reason I thought Micheal Ferland was a "must-trade" heading into last summer -- because his value is at an all-time high, he's entering the last year of his deal, and he can likely be replaced internally with ease.

Sorry but I have to disagree, you are not replacing Brodie internally "with ease". We have the luxury of having Valimaki, Kylington and/or Anderson while we have Brodie....take Brodie out of this equation and I suspect sticks get held a lot tighter.

[Beninho]

Man it just sucks that the flames gotta possibly trade Brodie with how awesome he has been this year. His value has skyrocketed compared to where it was at last year. He’s just been looking so damn good again that I would hope if the flames trade him they get a hell of a package.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Man it just sucks that the flames gotta possibly trade Brodie with how awesome he has been this year. His value has skyrocketed compared to where it was at last year. He’s just been looking so damn good again that I would hope if the flames trade him they get a hell of a package.

True but to a lesser extent imagine if we sold high on Wideman after his good season?

Timing is everything.

Playing with Gio is like playing with Tom Brady in its effects.

Next man up.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think TJ Brodie should be traded because of an expansion draft. I think he should be dealt for the same reason I thought Micheal Ferland was a "must-trade" heading into last summer -- because his value is at an all-time high, he's entering the last year of his deal, and he can likely be replaced internally with ease.

I think you are jumping the gun saying he can be replaced with ease, and that Ferland Brodie are not as comparable as you seem to think it is.

Let's not forget that Ferland wasn't just traded for futures. He was part of a deal where 2 NHL players were exchanged for 2 other NHL players. The contracts did play a role, but there was also the idea of trying to find some better fits to make a non playoff team play better. The Flames didn't have any internal replacment for him. They traded for a right hand shooting forward that they thought might offer something their team was missing. A team that had 0 playoff wins in 3 years and 1 appearance in that time. It was a team that had not been very good, and needed to be improved a lot.

This current Flames are a first place team and a lot still is to be determined in the season. I'd want to see how they ultimately finish, how they do in the playoffs before I jump to a conclusion like this. At this point this is a team that may be good enough, and only require some minor tweaking right now.

Us wannabe armchair GM's always love to think about the future and continuously build for it...trade every pending UFA for more picks...never pay a player over 27...all the current rage....but there is a today to consider too. If this team proves good enough to be in the Conference final, I don't know if I'd want to take a guy like Brodie out of the lineup for next year, especially if he was to have a good playoffs. Yes great value from a trade perspective. But there are only so many chances to actually win, and next year might well be one. By the time that first round picks and one of those prospects are in the lineup...you've traded off Gaudreau for the same reason.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Man it just sucks that the flames gotta possibly trade Brodie with how awesome he has been this year.

I think the Flames caught a massive break. They now know they have three young and ready blueliners that can contribute RIGHT NOW, and that takes the risk of moving Brodie in the off season.

His value has skyrocketed compared to where it was at last year. He’s just been looking so damn good again that I would hope if the flames trade him they get a hell of a package.

That should be the hope. Treliving walks into the draft and comes away with a number of assets that will help the team long term and it only costs them a player that we are prepared to backfill. Imagine making the move without knowing that Andersson, Kylington, and Valimaki are ready to step in and contribute? Hopefully we see a first and a couple of seconds, or a first and a good defensive prospect on the verge. Makes the team better long term.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Interesting points made here. Wonder how many other teams are in similar situations where they feel they need to trade someone to gain assets, and to not risk losing them for nothing in the expansion draft. Would there be a league-wide 'buyers market' because of this?

That could present an opportunity for a team to go in another direction, like adding multiple pieces at a 'discount rate', and exposing them to the expansion draft, knowing that you are only going to lose one of them. Might be cheaper than giving up a first to protect someone from the expansion draft.

yeah presumably there will be a number of teams in a similar situation... TB, Toronto, Winnipeg, Nashville...

unfortunately, deep teams will lose a good player.

1, 3, 7 protection with players playing over 70+ the previous 2 seasons or 40+ the season prior to the draft...

all the d men will be exposed pretty much, so its going to be tough... personally, i'd protect youth over age... so Hanafin, valimaki and Andersson/kylington is who i would lean towards...

tough discussion to have... sometimes you have to be ruthless and not concern yourself with nostalgia...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by New Era

I think the Flames caught a massive break. They now know they have three young and ready blueliners that can contribute RIGHT NOW, and that takes the risk of moving Brodie in the off season.


That should be the hope. Treliving walks into the draft and comes away with a number of assets that will help the team long term and it only costs them a player that we are prepared to backfill. Imagine making the move without knowing that Andersson, Kylington, and Valimaki are ready to step in and contribute? Hopefully we see a first and a couple of seconds, or a first and a good defensive prospect on the verge. Makes the team better long term.

Exactly ... the three young defensemen let them move a vet for assets, and keep their payroll down allowing them to keep more pieces.

Huge win.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If the same rules as last time apply wouldn't you want to hold onto Brodie in the event you could move him and a pick to Seattle in exchange for not taking Kylington, Andersson, etc?

So you're suggesting Brodie, a pick, and the other good player Seattle picks for not taking Kylington or Andersson? Seems we lose that deal by a lot.