2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[oldschoolcalgary]

While i love Brodano, the unfortunate reality of the expansion draft upcoming means calgary will have to make some difficult changes.

i think the growth of all the young defense men has been probably a bit of a surprise for BT et all...

with Brodie's contract coming up, it seems like he'd make the most sense to trade in the offseason...and even then, with the expansion rules, which 3 Dmen do you protect?

[djsFlames]

Can Zuccarello still be had for the rumored 3rd? I'll do that one.

[TheScorpion]

In 2021, I protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Bennett
Jankowski

Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

Rittich

Flames might have to pay a 1st to prevent Seattle from taking Kylington or Hamonic. That would be well worth it.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can Zuccarello still be had for the rumored 3rd? I'll do that one.

...a 3rd round pick????

[TheIronMaiden]

Deals I would like to see the Flames do before the deadline

M. Stone for a 3rd or 4th

C. Lazar for a 5th or 6th

A. Czarnik for a 2nd


Call and keep up Quine, and Mangiapane.

Depending on the success of that 3rd round or 2nd round trade proposition, flip them for a rental winger who is comfortable in the bottom 6. and send Mangiapane down.

[TheScorpion]

I disagree -- there's no real reason for the Flames to be selling anything for picks right now, right before the playoffs. They need as many bodies as possible.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Deals I would like to see the Flames do before the deadline

M. Stone for a 3rd or 4th

C. Lazar for a 5th or 6th

A. Czarnik for a 2nd


Call and keep up Quine, and Mangiapane.

Depending on the success of that 3rd round or 2nd round trade proposition, flip them for a rental winger who is comfortable in the bottom 6. and send Mangiapane down.

You want the Flames to sell?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can Zuccarello still be had for the rumored 3rd? I'll do that one.

IIRC the asking price for Zuccarello is a 2nd + a prospect per Friedman.

It may drop to a 3rd if the market is saturated with the likes of Panarin, Stone, Duchene, etc.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In 2021, I protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Bennett
Jankowski

Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

Rittich

Flames might have to pay a 1st to prevent Seattle from taking Kylington or Hamonic. That would be well worth it.

Agreed, offer a first to avoid any of our D. I wouldn't want Gio being taken either!

That or go with the 4 d-option and plan to lose Backlund/Bennett

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Deals I would like to see the Flames do before the deadline

M. Stone for a 3rd or 4th

C. Lazar for a 5th or 6th

A. Czarnik for a 2nd


Call and keep up Quine, and Mangiapane.

Depending on the success of that 3rd round or 2nd round trade proposition, flip them for a rental winger who is comfortable in the bottom 6. and send Mangiapane down.

If you could trade Czarnik for a 2nd he would already be on a new team.

Czarnik's value is close to what Jordan Weal got traded for, a 6th round pick.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

IIRC the asking price for Zuccarello is a 2nd + a prospect per Friedman.

It may drop to a 3rd if the market is saturated with the likes of Panarin, Stone, Duchene, etc.

Phillips/Mangiapane + 2nd round pick for Zuccarello?


Does that work?

I would consider that.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In 2021, I protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Bennett
Jankowski

Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

Rittich

Flames might have to pay a 1st to prevent Seattle from taking Kylington or Hamonic. That would be well worth it.

Depending what we have for C depth I prob expose Backlund and his contract by then.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You want the Flames to sell?

The concept of sell and buy is a bit of a binary. I think that the Flames will exist in the grey area, especially with the likes of Stone and Lazar, both players who could fir on other rosters but not necessarily the Flames. I think that it would be prudent to collect a few more draft picks before picking up a rental. So its not really a sell, it is more like liquidating some assets to invest in a rental.

A reminder is that the Flames only have picks in round 1,3,4,5,7. Which is slim pickins especially since the flow of prospects outside of Dube and Valimaki has dried up. I think to build sustainable success, teams in the playoffs absolutley have to draft well, and in order to do that you need more tickets to the lottery.

I know that this season is very strong, and is probably the closest the Flames have been to being contenders in a while, but I would like for that to happen season in and season out, and in order to do that they need to make good on their non essential assets. Imo, draft picks, especially when you make the playoffs and are in a cap crunch, are absolutely essential.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I disagree -- there's no real reason for the Flames to be selling anything for picks right now, right before the playoffs. They need as many bodies as possible.

My logic is that picks are the best asset to move for rentals, and the flames need more picks before they can invest in a hired gun. Trading fringe players for picks allows the Flames to buy more easily. Its not perfect logic, but what the hell the break is too long and I need some hockey talk.

[djsFlames]

I have my doubts about Eat Bread, even though he looks a cut above when playing with other rookies or young players. Doesn't play a bigger game with NHLers. But other teams may see the upside since he may be viewed as the top forward prospect to some.

I'd offer him and our 3rd if the Rangers lowered the price last minute. Do we have our second this year? (can't remember if that went for Smith)

[TheScorpion]

The Flames do not possess a 2nd-rounder this year, having traded it for Hamonic.

I would have zero issue trading Mangiapane and a 3rd for Zuccarello, but I bet there would be better offers. Sticking around NYC, I'd also offer that same package for one of Johansson or Boyle from the Devils.

[djsFlames]

Man, we really paid up for Hamonic, and yet he's a big part in us being where we are.

Funny enough a rather large part of the Isles' next five years of success will be thanks to Alberta.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

While i love Brodano, the unfortunate reality of the expansion draft upcoming means calgary will have to make some difficult changes.

i think the growth of all the young defense men has been probably a bit of a surprise for BT et all...

with Brodie's contract coming up, it seems like he'd make the most sense to trade in the offseason...and even then, with the expansion rules, which 3 Dmen do you protect?

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In 2021, I protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Bennett
Jankowski

Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

Rittich

Flames might have to pay a 1st to prevent Seattle from taking Kylington or Hamonic. That would be well worth it.

Interesting points made here. Wonder how many other teams are in similar situations where they feel they need to trade someone to gain assets, and to not risk losing them for nothing in the expansion draft. Would there be a league-wide 'buyers market' because of this?

That could present an opportunity for a team to go in another direction, like adding multiple pieces at a 'discount rate', and exposing them to the expansion draft, knowing that you are only going to lose one of them. Might be cheaper than giving up a first to protect someone from the expansion draft.

[TheIronMaiden]

the Flames, in the last two years, have only drafted inside the top three rounds once. It is also important to remember that the Flames 1st and 3rd rounders will both be late round picks, they are more likley to hold the value of a glorified 2nd and 4th round pick.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In 2021, I protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Bennett
Jankowski

Hanifin
Andersson
Valimaki

Rittich

Flames might have to pay a 1st to prevent Seattle from taking Kylington or Hamonic. That would be well worth it.

I look forward to seeing how much your list changes in 2021 because I think its wayyyy to early to be coming up with full lists like this.

1) A 32 year old Mikael Backlund making 5.5 mil may no longer be as good or worth keeping
2) David Rittich may not actually be this good (regardless, you need to keep a goalie)
3) Bennett and Jankowski are middle top 9 forwards who may be passed by a younger player (or other acquisition) 2 seasons from now.
4) Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington are still rookies and who knows where they will be 2 years from now.

In my opinion, the closest list you can get at this time (not even this is 100%)

Forwards:
1) Gaudreau
2) Tkachuk
3) Monahan
4) Lindholm
5) ???
6) ???
7) ???

Defense:
1) Hanifin
2) ??? (maybe Valimaki)
3) ???