Israel declares war on Hamas

[PepsiFree]

Why didn’t Palestinians book flights out of Gaza after war broke out like Pointman? Guess instead of that noble act of defiance they chose not to behave better and now face the consequences of behaving the way they are.

Especially the children. They need to face the consequences the most!

[Beninho]

Nm

[PsYcNeT]

Slap fight distracting from the fact Israel is holding 9 guards in custody for raping Palestinian detainees (some with foreign objects), their govt building is under siege J6-style by people trying to free the guards, while Parliament debates as to whether they actually broke any laws when raping detainees.

[PsYcNeT]

Rape Debate:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817987191014048070

Rape Riot:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817992643223187790

[Pointman]

Syrian human rights group examines crater and says it's Hezbollah rocket:


The accounts we have collected corroborate the likelihood that the attack was a rocket attack. The eyewitnesses told us they heard a strong explosion, and saw a huge fireball.

Our analysis of the football pitch suggests that the rocket hit the surface, and detonated on impact.. We believe that the size and shape of the crater created by the blast are consistent with its being created by a rocket attack, as are its depth and diameter – 2.5 meters and 1.5 meters respectively.

The damage inflicted on the site and the surrounding area corresponds with that usually caused by a Falaq-1 rocket, which is a non-guided 240mm surface-to-surface rocket used by Hezbollah, whose warhead weighs an estimated 50 kilograms.

Eyewitnesses confirmed that alarm sirens were sounded a few seconds before the rocket hit, which makes it more probable that the attack was of foreign origin.

The eyewitness accounts and video footage of the rocket attack, as well as the resulting explosion, the dimensions of the crater it created, and the rocket remnants, all indicate that the attack originated from the north. Considering the geography of Majdal Shams village, we suspect that the rocket was fired from southern Lebanon by the Lebanese group Hezbollah


https://snhr.org/blog/2024/07/29/leb...shams-village/

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Slap fight distracting from the fact Israel is holding 9 guards in custody for raping Palestinian detainees (some with foreign objects), their govt building is under siege J6-style by people trying to free the guards, while Parliament debates as to whether they actually broke any laws when raping detainees.

Link? The 9 guards I'm seeing are being held for suspected abuse against a single male detainee that sounds more like a case of torture not a bunch of raping's of detainees

If they tortured someone Israel has laws that will see them punished.

aljazeera link

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Link? The 9 guards I'm seeing are being held for suspected abuse against a single male detainee that sounds more like a case of torture not a bunch of raping's of detainees

If they tortured someone Israel has laws that will see them punished.

aljazeera link

Finish reading the article you linked. There is also lengthier video of the overarching issue being discussed in Parliament which mentions more cases:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817921796999418290

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by GGG

So how do you know that the explosion was an 11kg explosion vs a 50 kg explosion. How do you know the size of the blast wave coming from the 11kg one to know that video was a 50kg one. What is the destructive blast radius of each. What video did you use to compare the two.

You also appear in this post to be repeating a fallacy that the class of missle / rocket matters and not just payload. Where does this theory come from?

(At any point in time it’s okay for you to say you made a speculative comment and should have said I think the explosion is too big to be a iron dome missle as opposed to a definitive statement.)

The class of the rocket does matter. Surface to surface rockets are designed to explode on impact. Surface to air rockets explode when they believe they are close to their target. Furthermore, Iron dome rocket is designed to self-explode in case it didn't find the target. Even further, in a very rare event that Iron dome missile didn't find the target AND failed to self-explode in the air, it just falls on the ground and does NOT detonate. Because it is not designed to detonate on impact. The details on that are in War Zone article below

https://www.twz.com/31018/intact-las...fell-into-gaza


Regarding the size of the crater being consistent with 50kg warhead, rather than 10kg warhead that's the conclusion that of Syrians, quoted in the post above.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Rape Debate:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817987191014048070

Rape Riot:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1817992643223187790

The far right sucks, really disgusting behaviour. Shame on Netanyahu for allowing these lunatics into government.
Lapid is 100% correct.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...-in-the-abyss/

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This is literally the logic my 8 year old daughter uses to defend the fact that she isn't tricking her little brother when she says that she believes dragons are real.

Babies were killed and burn. Then an IDF soldier said he saw babies with heads cut off. And media ran with it. Later no beheaded babies were found. What is a proper reaction?

1. Hamas burned and killed babies, that's horrible
2. Hahaha, no beheaded babies were found, Israel is full of lies!!

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

This post does nothing to explain why you left. And you don't need to explain it because a lot of people would have done exactly what you did. Maybe they wouldn't have moved to another country that is perpetuating war crimes daily but that's what you did.

So please don't pretend you moved as some sort of protest. You moved because you were rightfully scared to be thrown into a war you didn't agree with and that's logical.

It's when you pretend like you did it as a protest that rubs me and others the wrong way.

You moved from one terrible country to another terrible country because you didn't wanna risk your life and I would have made the same choice if I was in your shoes. Not to Israel of course but I wouldn't be pretending I was doing it out of protest.

I read your first posts in that war thread. Not the Ukraine thread the other one and you definitely flip flopped in the tone of your posts and then you moved to another country.

You really need to read again. Maybe you missed the dates of the posts. This was written in April 7th 2022. It has nothing to do with mobilization, which started at September 21st, half a year later:

Also, we have started a repatriation to Israel process. Waiting time is extremely long due to demand, but hopefully by 2023 I will be done with this country

For context, this is what was going on with the war on the day of the post:

As Thursday draws to a close in Kyiv and in Moscow, here are the key developments of the day:

Ukrainian officials are urging residents of the eastern regions of Donestsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv to evacuate immediately. Russian troops have now withdrawn from the northern cities of Kyiv and Chernihiv, but are believed to be regrouping for a potential new attack in the east, where Moscow has recognized self-proclaimed separatist republics

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/07/10913...-today-april-7

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

This post does nothing to explain why you left. And you don't need to explain it because a lot of people would have done exactly what you did. Maybe they wouldn't have moved to another country that is perpetuating war crimes daily but that's what you did.

So please don't pretend you moved as some sort of protest. You moved because you were rightfully scared to be thrown into a war you didn't agree with and that's logical.

It's when you pretend like you did it as a protest that rubs me and others the wrong way.

You moved from one terrible country to another terrible country because you didn't wanna risk your life and I would have made the same choice if I was in your shoes. Not to Israel of course but I wouldn't be pretending I was doing it out of protest.

I read your first posts in that war thread. Not the Ukraine thread the other one and you definitely flip flopped in the tone of your posts and then you moved to another country.

I'm calling you out on that. You are just making stuff out of your rear end. I've been against Ukrainian war from the start, I was also against Crimea annexation, and I have decided to leave Russia for good long before any threat of conscription was on horizon. You can see it from two things in my posts. First, I say that the biggest threat by far for an average Russian is losing a job. Which means that mobilization is not in play at all. Second is I say in April 2022, that waiting times are very long and I expect to be done with a country by 2023. Which means I expected to stay in Russia for at least next 9 months, so I was under no immediately danger and didn't see one coming any time soon.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Pointman

The class of the rocket does matter. Surface to surface rockets are designed to explode on impact. Surface to air rockets explode when they believe they are close to their target. Furthermore, Iron dome rocket is designed to self-explode in case it didn't find the target. Even further, in a very rare event that Iron dome missile didn't find the target AND failed to self-explode in the air, it just falls on the ground and does NOT detonate. Because it is not designed to detonate on impact. The details on that are in War Zone article below

https://www.twz.com/31018/intact-las...fell-into-gaza


Regarding the size of the crater being consistent with 50kg warhead, rather than 10kg warhead that's the conclusion that of Syrians, quoted in the post above.

Not relevant to your statement that the explosion on the ground was too large to be an iron dome missile. Also you just showed that the iron dome missles don’t always do what they are supposed to and self explode in the air.

Again you can just admit that it was pure speculation without evidence that you said it was too big of an explosion. Or you can continue to google and learn about the iron dome system and how it works. It does appear your are educating yourself so that is positive.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

You claimed they rented the home and rent wasn't paid.

Again, citation needed. Another blatant lie from you. It's amazing how much you guys like to lie and make things up. Almost as if you learn from the best, the Israeli government.

You called it a lie and it later was proven true. And you never apologized.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by GGG

Not relevant to your statement that the explosion on the ground was too large to be an iron dome missile. Also you just showed that the iron dome missles don’t always do what they are supposed to and self explode in the air.

Again you can just admit that it was pure speculation without evidence that you said it was too big of an explosion. Or you can continue to google and learn about the iron dome system and how it works. It does appear your are educating yourself so that is positive.

Huh? This is literally what Syrian human rights group said:

Our analysis of the football pitch suggests that the rocket hit the surface, and detonated on impact.. We believe that the size and shape of the crater created by the blast are consistent with its being created by a rocket attack, as are its depth and diameter – 2.5 meters and 1.5 meters respectively.

The damage inflicted on the site and the surrounding area corresponds with that usually caused by a Falaq-1 rocket, which is a non-guided 240mm surface-to-surface rocket used by Hezbollah, whose warhead weighs an estimated 50 kilograms

https://snhr.org/blog/2024/07/29/leb...shams-village/

You are looking increasingly clownish here. This is what I said:

in a very rare event that Iron dome missile didn't find the target AND failed to self-explode in the air, it just falls on the ground and does NOT detonate. Because it is not designed to detonate on impact. The details on that are in War Zone article below

This is how you reframed it:

you just showed that the iron dome missles don’t always do what they are supposed to and self explode in the air

You conveniently left out the part that says that they don't explode on the ground either. That's comical.

Also your claim that the class of the missile doesn't matter and only size of a warhead does was proven false.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Huh? This is literally what Syrian human rights group said:



You are looking increasingly clownish here. This is what I said:



This is how you reframed it:



You conveniently left out the part that says that they don't explode on the ground either. That's comical.

Also your claim that the class of the missile doesn't matter and only size of a warhead does was proven false.

My claim was not proven false by anything. The size of the explosion is based solely on its payload. Nothing you have presented challenges this.

Don’t explode on the ground? Your article made no such claim.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...ssile-misfire/

What happened here?

Again I’m not arguing it wasn’t a hezbolah missle. In fact I would say it’s most likely. I’m saying you had no information to support your claim at the time you made it. I appreciate that you have actually cared to verify this info.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by GGG

My claim was not proven false by anything. The size of the explosion is based solely on its payload. Nothing you have presented challenges this.

Don’t explode on the ground?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...ssile-misfire/

What happened here?

Where does it say that it exploded? Fell and crashed. Consistent with War Zone article I posted above. Sometimes interceptors fall. If they do, they don't explode.

The Israel Defense Forces says it is investigating after footage shows an Iron Dome interceptor missile failing and crashing in central Israel

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Where does it say that it exploded? Fell and crashed. Consistent with War Zone article I posted above. Sometimes interceptors fall. If they do, they don't explode.

The Israel Defense Forces says it is investigating after footage shows an Iron Dome interceptor missile failing and crashing in central Israel

So the flashing explosion at time of contact with the ground means nothing to you? I’m out.

Tamir missiles fail occasionally, though in most cases have not caused any significant damage.

So this states that in most cases have not done significant damage. This means in some cases they do do significant damage.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by GGG

My claim was not proven false by anything. The size of the explosion is based solely on its payload. Nothing you have presented challenges this.

Don’t explode on the ground? Your article made no such claim.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...ssile-misfire/

What happened here?

Again I’m not arguing it wasn’t a hezbolah missle. In fact I would say it’s most likely. I’m saying you had no information to support your claim at the time you made it. I appreciate that you have actually cared to verify this info.

I live in Israel. I have small children. I must explain them sounds of interceptors that they here. They ask me about bombings occasionally. They are being taught and trained in school on what they should do in case of missile alarms.

I was well aware, that fallen interceptors are not causing large, if any, blasts. I'm not a rocketry expert, and never claimed to be one, but it is some basic knowledge that most Israelis have. I just made a remark, that fallen interceptor don't cause such blasts. It's common knowledge here.

If I was lazily arguing from some basement in Russia, I could hear your point. However, unfortunately I had reasons to educate myself a bit on missile attacks and interceptors.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Babies were killed and burn. Then an IDF soldier said he saw babies with heads cut off. And media ran with it. Later no beheaded babies were found. What is a proper reaction?

1. Hamas burned and killed babies, that's horrible
2. Hahaha, no beheaded babies were found, Israel is full of lies!!

Wow.

1. You dropped a post saying "it was never proven the babies weren't beheaded."
2. I point out that is utterly ridiculous, and you're not acting in good faith in this conversation with statements like that (although making use of a snarky analogy to do so).
3. You point out I must be so eager to call out Israeli lies, that I excuse the deaths of babies.
4. The brigade of genocidist sympathizers thanks it.

Like back up a bit here man. You're so busy blindly defending Israel on all fronts that I don't even think you know what you're debating anymore - but pulling crap like this is definitely not cool, and I'm having a hard time staying remotely cordial with this response.