[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[really?]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Conroy on 960 says the Flames never talked contract with Rasmus this season

A couple of years ago he was almost dismissive when questioned about his future with the team at the end of the season, making it seem to me he was intent on moving on at the end of his deal. That’s what made retaining him at the deadline to push for the playoffs so futile in my mind.

Hard to be upset with Andersson, his time is now, not 3-4 years from now, so I understand his intentions. I hope he gets a cup one day, but unless it’s this year I hope it doesn’t involve Vegas.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by InTheSlot

Devils fan here... I found this trade interesting because our GM sucks and has pinned himself into a corner by giving out NTCs and NMCs like they're candy and we resent him because he can't make any moves right now as the deadline approaches, but I really thought you flame fans would like this deal because they're getting a 1st and a 2nd, and the second could potentially become a 1st.

At the risk of sounding ignorant and insulting your from a prayer, I feel like Andersson was an average second pair defenseman .

If I'm a Knights fan, on the one hand it's encouraging to see my general manager make moves and always go for a cup run, but at the same time I would be upset that we just gave up quite a lot of our future.

Agree? Disagree?

Yes, you are correct in your analysis. It is a pretty good return for Rasmus.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

How long does Calgary own Wiebe's rights?


Drafted in 2022, went back to the BCHL for a season, and he is in his 3rd year of college. If he returns to the NCAA for one more season, can he become a UFA?

Because he was drafted 4 years ago, I believe he can declare he's leaving college any time after this season ends and become a UFA 30 days later or June 1, whichever is later (see Justin Schultz et al). I don't think anything in the new CBA changes that for him.

If he goes back for one more year of college, the Flames will control his rights until August 15, 2027.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by InTheSlot

Devils fan here... I found this trade interesting because our GM sucks and has pinned himself into a corner by giving out NTCs and NMCs like they're candy and we resent him because he can't make any moves right now as the deadline approaches, but I really thought you flame fans would like this deal because they're getting a 1st and a 2nd, and the second could potentially become a 1st.

At the risk of sounding ignorant and insulting your from a prayer, I feel like Andersson was an average second pair defenseman .

If I'm a Knights fan, on the one hand it's encouraging to see my general manager make moves and always go for a cup run, but at the same time I would be upset that we just gave up quite a lot of our future.

Agree? Disagree?

Vegas seems to be a location that free agents want to go. I don’t think they care about futures.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Wait a minute, if they win the cup and they are bottom 10 next year, we only get a 2029 pick, that can't be right

I don't know the conditions say "or" not "and" if the scenario where they win the cup this year but are bottom 10 year

[3thirty]

If I'm a player and I knew I was going to a team long term why would I do anything that makes that teams future worse? Can't fault him for that as a bigger return hurts your future team moving forward.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by InTheSlot

Devils fan here... I found this trade interesting because our GM sucks and has pinned himself into a corner by giving out NTCs and NMCs like they're candy and we resent him because he can't make any moves right now as the deadline approaches, but I really thought you flame fans would like this deal because they're getting a 1st and a 2nd, and the second could potentially become a 1st.

At the risk of sounding ignorant and insulting your from a prayer, I feel like Andersson was an average second pair defenseman .

If I'm a Knights fan, on the one hand it's encouraging to see my general manager make moves and always go for a cup run, but at the same time I would be upset that we just gave up quite a lot of our future.

Agree? Disagree?

Thats where the disconnect comes from.

Plays 25 minutes a night in all situations and has twice as many pts as the next Dman on the club....top 20 in the NHL i believe.

Very much more than average 2nd pairing guy.

[FeyWest]

I’m generally a lurker but have a legit question for those that may have watched Whitecloud. How good of a top-4 D is he, better/worse than Andersson? I anticipate with some of the stats that have been posted there’s a chance that he’s worse in generating offense for an inconsistently offensive team.

I don’t like that we’re this low standings wise but if we’re going to suck naturally might as well get our only ever top-3 pick for once while also hoping to have a flippable asset for more picks.

The rumours and other posts certainly had my hopes up but I’m comfortable with the return but irked it’s with Vegas… Maybe it’s a long con and Andersson is now a sleeper agent to tank the Knights this year. That way we get a higher pick with their 2026 1st Rounder.

[3thirty]

Wiebe is also a Canadian kid so hopefully no grand illusions of being a Rag one day.

[FanIn80]

So we get a 29 year old bottom 6 forward, a 22 year old defencman drafted in the 7th round, a late first and second round pick in 2027 and zero picks in this year's draft.

For the #1 defenceman on the market, and we retaind 50% of his salary.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So we get a 29 year old bottom 6 forward, a 22 year old defencman drafted in the 7th round, a late first and second round pick in 2027 and zero picks in this year's draft.

For the #1 defenceman on the market, and we retaind 50% of his salary.

Whitecloud is D.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats where the disconnect comes from.

Plays 25 minutes a night in all situations and has twice as many pts as the next Dman on the club....top 20 in the NHL i believe.

Very much more than average 2nd pairing guy.

He is a solid #3, which is great on its own. However, most teams in the league would have 2 dman better than him imo.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I actually kinda like this option. Have a tough, defensively reliable vet to keep the kids from getting caved in.

Might be a younger Hanley

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So we get a 29 year old bottom 6 forward, a 22 year old defencman drafted in the 7th round, a late first and second round pick in 2027 and zero picks in this year's draft.

For the #1 defenceman on the market, and we retaind 50% of his salary.

No.

He is a solid 2nd pairing RHD.

Also the Flames already have the Vegas 26 1st round pick.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I don't know the conditions say "or" not "and" if the scenario where they win the cup this year but are bottom 10 year

It's clear.

If they win the cup this year, the 28 2nd becomes a 28 1st

However, if they finish bottom 10 next year, the 27 1st becomes a 28 1st. In that scenario, and if they won the cup in 26, then the 28 2nd becomes a 29 1st (instead of a 28 1st), and we would then hold their 28 and 29 1sts, both unprotected

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So we get a 29 year old bottom 6 forward, a 22 year old defencman drafted in the 7th round, a late first and second round pick in 2027 and zero picks in this year's draft.

For the #1 defenceman on the market, and we retaind 50% of his salary.

Flames have tons of cap space and since the season is half done 50% retained is about $1.25 million. Which isn’t much.

Whitecloud’s salary is half of Andersson’s. So it’s probably a wash.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So we get a 29 year old bottom 6 forward, a 22 year old defencman drafted in the 7th round, a late first and second round pick in 2027 and zero picks in this year's draft.

For the #1 defenceman on the market, and we retaind 50% of his salary.

We probably needed to retain on Andersson anyway to facilitate making other moves, while staying above the floor.

[Flamesguy_SJ]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It does seem like the removal of conditions for a player re-signing has ultimately hurt selling clubs, as it's been replaced by tougher to reach conditions around team success.
I still have never heard the rationale for why that is no longer allowed.

Not sure if this has been answered in the interim, but my understanding is that the NHLPA felt that players who were traded with those conditions attached weren't being re-signed because the acquiring team didn't want to have to pay the higher price. So even though there was potential for a 3rd round pick to be upgraded to a 2nd if the player re-signed, the team acquiring them would be disincentivized to re-sign them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FeyWest

I’m generally a lurker but have a legit question for those that may have watched Whitecloud. How good of a top-4 D is he, better/worse than Andersson? I anticipate with some of the stats that have been posted there’s a chance that he’s worse in generating offense for an inconsistently offensive team.

I don’t like that we’re this low standings wise but if we’re going to suck naturally might as well get our only ever top-3 pick for once while also hoping to have a flippable asset for more picks.

The rumours and other posts certainly had my hopes up but I’m comfortable with the return but irked it’s with Vegas… Maybe it’s a long con and Andersson is now a sleeper agent to tank the Knights this year. That way we get a higher pick with their 2026 1st Rounder.

He is not as good as Andersson. I compared him to Zadorov, I think that is pretty fair - Zadorov with less offense

[TheScorpion]

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