[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Nice bell curve on these poll results!

Confirms that there is a very vocal minority in this thread.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by agulati

Can the flames now retain on Whitecloud if they flip him before the trade deadline?

I’d imagine they’d prefer to use it on Coleman

[Roko]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’d imagine they’d prefer to use it on Coleman

Or Kadri

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yes but then they can’t on Coleman

Well they can only retain on one more player this year. Suspect this makes the Kadri trade less likely this year and then they maybe retain on Coleman to maximize value and consider retaining on Kadri over the summer. Just my guess. Don’t think they need to retain on Whitecloud to get value for him.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

official

https://twitter.com/user/status/2013049167661482285

They can #### off

[Roko]

Feels odd the flames haven’t announced this deal yet

[albertGQ]

Do the Knights have to win the 2026 Cup to get that condtion upgraded to a 1st?

Can it be the 2027 Cup?

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

Petro is still under contract at 8.8 next year. If his career is done, bam there is your money. Cap also rising but i imagine Doroveyev will eat most of that.

That cap went to Hill and Marner. Eichel and Korscak also get about $3m each more next year. They tend to find ways, but it’s not going to be a simple extension if Rasmus actually wants to get paid.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well almost every rebuilding team takes the amount of time the Ducks seem to be taking (8-9 years). The only cheat code seems to be drafting a Hart Trophy nominee and have him turn into a Hart Trophy nominee less than 24 months after he was drafted.

It is also to be determined how good Conroy’s picks this year and the next two years are. They will likely be top 5 picks and could expedite it. But most rebuilding teams seem to take 7-9 years to reach a point where they are good (Montreal and San Jose being the only real exceptions I can think of).

Agree again with a lot of your post.

It was spoken at length years ago that proper rebuilds require self reflection and cutting quick. So a point of frustration for many that we didn't do that, which is frustrating from two perspectives in that we wasted development time and we didn't target a strong 2023 draft.

As for picking Hart candidates, fully agree. We'll likely need one to pull out of our current decent. Gotta have a shot at it though by being in the top 10 draft picks.

Anyway I look forward to the conversation shifting from whether we're in a rebuild to assessing the quality and fit of our young assets.

[getbak]

Whitecloud's contract is low enough that they can probably move him without retention. Kadri has too many years left, so they probably won't retain on him. Coleman's in the retention sweet spot.

[TheScorpion]

Conroy on 960 says the Flames never talked contract with Rasmus this season

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

But if Vegas wins the Cup in 2026, then misses the playoffs and gets the 10th Overall Pick in 2027, and then misses the playoffs and wins the lottery in 2028, and again in 2029, we get two 1st Overall Picks.

We sure do! Unless we back ourselves into another corner and Vegas comes and bends the Flames over again with more future firsts with conditions.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well they can only retain on one more player this year. Suspect this makes the Kadri trade less likely this year and then they maybe retain on Coleman to maximize value and consider retaining on Kadri over the summer. Just my guess. Don’t think they need to retain on Whitecloud to get value for him.

Somewhere I've thought about with Kadri is Carolina. If they're looking to move Kotkaniemi (and even if they don't), they have cap space to take Kadri's full load.

To CGY: Kotkaniemi, DAL 2026 1st
To CAR: Kadri

I'd do that.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Poll choice I went with “ Break even (expected)”.

If they flip Whitecloud? I’d bump it up higher.

Don’t want Whitecloud on the team. Don’t want the roster congestion.

At the end of the day you take the picks and move forward, that’s what rebuilds look like.

I'm willing to give Whitecloud a chance before we write him off. Maybe he becomes a serviceable defensive defenseman for the team until we find someone better.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Conroy on 960 says the Flames never talked contract with Rasmus this season

Which fits with Ras's "it takes 2 to tango" line on After Hours a few weeks back.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm willing to give Whitecloud a chance before we write him off. Maybe he becomes a serviceable defensive defenseman for the team until we find someone better.

So, no Parekh on the team then? Or do they shift Weegard to LHD and put Kuz to the 3rd pair with Brz?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Conroy on 960 says the Flames never talked contract with Rasmus this season

Can you give us a quick Coles notes of what else Conroy said in regard to the trade?

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So, no Parekh on the team then? Or do they shift Weegard to LHD and put Kuz to the 3rd pair with Brz?

Should have just kept Parekh in the juniors this year. He would have at least played a lot of hockey and dominated down there for another year.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm willing to give Whitecloud a chance before we write him off. Maybe he becomes a serviceable defensive defenseman for the team until we find someone better.

Meh. Just flip him

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So, no Parekh on the team then? Or do they shift Weegard to LHD and put Kuz to the 3rd pair with Brz?

He will have to earn his spot when given a chance.