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EddyBeers · 12-21-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Because that's all there is out there nowadays.....

Good point, on my favourite shows (Entourage, Californication, The Office, Big Love) I can never find a straight story line. The entire half hour or hour is dedicated to the gay lives of the gay main characters. What would be wrong with Californication or Entourage showing a little straight sex, some tities every once in awhile. And on the Office, what is with the emphasis on Oscar? Could they not have episodes where the focus is on Michael's sex life, or Pam and Jim? It is always Oscar and his boyfriends every episode.

But no, all I have shoved down my throat every episode is the gay agenda. Mikey, I could not agree more with you.

mikey_the_redneck · 12-21-2009, 03:19 PM

[quote=Iowa_Flames_Fan;2216647]Your attitude is that you're okay with people being gay as long as they are also underrepresented in our culture and forced to live in the closet (because you never want to see them holding hands or making out and stuff--you know, things heterosexual couples do all the time). You also don't want to see any kind of cultural production that admits that gay people exist, to the point where it bothers you if the occasional character in a television show is gay. That's called homophobia. I don't care if you don't like it--sometimes the truth hurts.[quote]

I did not say that there should be ZERO gay culture representaion here. That is obviously not fair. I would like to see our media represent gay culture in congruence with reality however. They should not be under or over-represented, but right now they are very over-represented. Thats all I'm sayin here....

What portion of our population is gay?
http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

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How many gay people are there in the United States?
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey, an extension of the U.S. Census (Gary J. Gates, 2006, "Same-Sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey").

The most widely accepted statistic is that 1 in ever 10 individuals is LGB; however research shows that the number may be more like 1 in 20."

I would guess that far more than 1 in 20 TV stations/shows contain gay entertainment. Over-represented.....

Locke · 12-21-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Thats GOLD Jerry, GOLD!

Bring_Back_Shantz · 12-21-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I did not say that there should be ZERO gay culture representaion here. That is obviously not fair. I would like to see our media represent gay culture in congruence with reality however. They should not be under or over-represented, but right now they are very over-represented. Thats all I'm sayin here....

What portion of our population is gay?
http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

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How many gay people are there in the United States?
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey, an extension of the U.S. Census (Gary J. Gates, 2006, "Same-Sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey").

The most widely accepted statistic is that 1 in ever 10 individuals is LGB; however research shows that the number may be more like 1 in 20."

I would guess that far more than 1 in 20 TV stations/shows contain gay entertainment. Over-represented.....

To which I counter, that < 2.5% of Americans are Jewish, yet their profile on television, is proably even larger than the gay community, so why are you not upset about that?

And hell, I'd be willing to bet that the tabloids in England are chalk full of stories about who professional rugby players are hooking up with, and this is the first story about a gay one. So how is that an example of over representation?

FlamingLonghorn · 12-21-2009, 03:56 PM

[quote=mikey_the_redneck;2216770][quote=Iowa_Flames_Fan;2216647]Your attitude is that you're okay with people being gay as long as they are also underrepresented in our culture and forced to live in the closet (because you never want to see them holding hands or making out and stuff--you know, things heterosexual couples do all the time). You also don't want to see any kind of cultural production that admits that gay people exist, to the point where it bothers you if the occasional character in a television show is gay. That's called homophobia. I don't care if you don't like it--sometimes the truth hurts.

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I did not say that there should be ZERO gay culture representaion here. That is obviously not fair. I would like to see our media represent gay culture in congruence with reality however. They should not be under or over-represented, but right now they are very over-represented. Thats all I'm sayin here....

What portion of our population is gay?
http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

Quote;
How many gay people are there in the United States?
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey, an extension of the U.S. Census (Gary J. Gates, 2006, "Same-Sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey").

The most widely accepted statistic is that 1 in ever 10 individuals is LGB; however research shows that the number may be more like 1 in 20."

I would guess that far more than 1 in 20 TV stations/shows contain gay entertainment. Over-represented.....

That's if you count any show with a gay person on it "gay entertainment" which would make it overrepresented. How many shows actually are gay oriented? You have 1 station out of thousands that is dedicated to gay audiences (Logo).

What you are saying is that having a gay person on a show means its gay entertainment, but don't most shows have at least 20 characters on it? So wouldn't that be the correct level of representation? If I am doing a show that is going to be representative of American/Canadian culture and I have 15-20 ppl on it than most likely someone is going to be gay.

EddyBeers · 12-21-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I would guess that far more than 1 in 20 TV stations/shows contain gay entertainment. Over-represented.....

The Office has 1 character out of about 20 that is gay. That is right in the ballpark for your supposed statistics. You are equating shows that have a gay element to gay shows, which is completely ridiculous.

By that standard, 100% of TV shows contain straight entertainment, which is over-represented. Can you even name a "gay show"? Even the L word has straight characters

Locke · 12-21-2009, 03:59 PM

At the risk of sounding pretentious:

The guy is a homophobe. So what? Its not a crime, and who are we to change him? His wife? Why do people have a need to try and change him as though this is some form of insanity that must be treated if only one could turn the magic key in his brain.

There was an episode of South Park on this once too....hilarious.

mikey_the_redneck · 12-21-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

To which I counter, that < 2.5% of Americans are Jewish, yet their profile on television, is proably even larger than the gay community, so why are you not upset about that?

And hell, I'd be willing to bet that the tabloids in England are chalk full of stories about who professional rugby players are hooking up with, and this is the first story about a gay one. So how is that an example of over representation?

Well, there may be alot of jewish folks on TV, but how can you tell? They aren't aggressively shouting it out or doing their little rituals or promoting their religion on the shows........not really a good comparison.

HPLovecraft · 12-21-2009, 04:00 PM

Chris & Steven!

http://www.cbc.ca/stevenandchris/

Do talk shows count?

RougeUnderoos · 12-21-2009, 04:06 PM

[quote=mikey_the_redneck;2216770][quote=Iowa_Flames_Fan;2216647]Your attitude is that you're okay with people being gay as long as they are also underrepresented in our culture and forced to live in the closet (because you never want to see them holding hands or making out and stuff--you know, things heterosexual couples do all the time). You also don't want to see any kind of cultural production that admits that gay people exist, to the point where it bothers you if the occasional character in a television show is gay. That's called homophobia. I don't care if you don't like it--sometimes the truth hurts.

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I did not say that there should be ZERO gay culture representaion here. That is obviously not fair. I would like to see our media represent gay culture in congruence with reality however. They should not be under or over-represented, but right now they are very over-represented. Thats all I'm sayin here....

What portion of our population is gay?
http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

Quote;
How many gay people are there in the United States?
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that there are 8.8 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual persons in the U.S based on the 2005/2006 American Community Survey, an extension of the U.S. Census (Gary J. Gates, 2006, "Same-Sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey").

The most widely accepted statistic is that 1 in ever 10 individuals is LGB; however research shows that the number may be more like 1 in 20."

I would guess that far more than 1 in 20 TV stations/shows contain gay entertainment. Over-represented.....

100% of all media ever made by Hollywood had straight culture represented.

I would argue that maybe, maybe 1 person in a hundred is a vampire, yet they are all over the TV and the bookstore. As for crime scene investigators, that has to be maybe 1 in 100,000. They are waaay overrepresented. Does this bother you?

yads · 12-21-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

At the risk of sounding pretentious:

The guy is a homophobe. So what? Its not a crime, and who are we to change him? His wife? Why do people have a need to try and change him as though this is some form of insanity that must be treated if only one could turn the magic key in his brain.

There was an episode of South Park on this once too....hilarious.

Because he thinks he isn't.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 12-21-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well, there may be alot of jewish folks on TV, but how can you tell? They aren't aggressively shouting it out or doing their little rituals or promoting their religion on the shows........not really a good comparison.

I can tell because there are a lot of references and jokes revolving around them being Jewish.
Just like with the occasional gay character on TV.

How many shows actually have gay characters "Promoting" their sexuality?
Or for that matter, how do you define this promotion?

Is a relationship between a straight dude and a woman promoting the straight agenda? If not, then why is a gay character having a gay significant other some form of gay promotion?

Exactly how much gay content would you like to see on tv? You say they're over represented, but I'd be willing to bet that it is at most about right.

To bring it back to your example of Two and a half men.
So they brought in a gay character? I don't watch the show, but I'm guessing it was a pretty brief appearance, and if that's the case, then your own example is a great example of how wrong you are. How many minor characters has that show introduced in the last how many years? I'm guessing it's more than 20, and if that's the case, then yeah, this 1 gay character doesn't exactly constitute over representation.

mikey_the_redneck · 12-21-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Chris & Steven!

http://www.cbc.ca/stevenandchris/

Do talk shows count?

Those two make my skin crawl.....along with;
Richard Simmons
Ellen Degenerate
The host guy on Americas Next Top Model commercials
Adam Lambert
Richard Hatch
Perez Hilton
Clay Aiken!
Chers' daughter/son.....whatever "it" is now...
Barney Frank
Boy George
Rosie O'Donnell
Elton John
KD Lang

Peanut · 12-21-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You mean you didn't hear all the hoopla about Adam Lambert making out with a dude on stage at the Amercian Music Awards? I don't watch American Idol but that is where he came from. Anyways after that a bunch of his appearances at other shows were cancelled, and there was "outrage" about the "discrimination".....gay characters have even appeared in my favourite show Two and a Half Men! The one place I thought was free of gay propaganda.....it seems I just can't get away from it.......

You don't get why people were upset about the discrimination? Britney Spears made out with Madonna AND Christina Augliera years ago on one of the awards shows. None of them were banned from making public appearances afterwards. The reaction after he kissed a guy onstage was completely ridiculous and illustrated the hypocrisy regarding homosexuality in our culture... it's only "okay" if you're a female, and you're hot, so all the straight guys can get off thinking about it. Otherwise, you're Ellen eating the "bearded clam" (your lovely words) or you're just a man who's got "the gay".

Peanut · 12-21-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Those two make my skin crawl.....along with;
Richard Simmons
Ellen Degenerate
The host guy on Americas Next Top Model commercials
Adam Lambert
Richard Hatch
Perez Hilton
Clay Aiken!
Chers' daughter/son.....whatever "it" is now...
Barney Frank
Boy George
Rosie O'Donnell
Elton John
KD Lang

They "make your skin crawl"?? Really? Wow. I actually feel a bit badly for you after reading your small-minded comments. There is more to life than hating people who are different than you.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 12-21-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

At the risk of sounding pretentious:

The guy is a homophobe. So what? Its not a crime, and who are we to change him? His wife? Why do people have a need to try and change him as though this is some form of insanity that must be treated if only one could turn the magic key in his brain.

There was an episode of South Park on this once too....hilarious.

I think the issue with a lot of people here is that he's done the classic

I'm not homophobic, but......

If someone came on CP and said in all seriousness that there were too many blacks or Jews on TV, they'd get banned straight away, no questions asked, and no one would be asking why it's such a big deal if the guy is racist.

You don't have to love everything on a gay tv shows or everything a gay character does, but when you're getting angry simply because a show you like had a gay character show up, and the only reason you cite for your dislike of said character is because they're gay, that's pretty ignorant.

For instance, I don't like Ellen. Is it because she's gay? No, it's because I think she's not that funny.
Of course that being said, I'm also a little jealous that she gets to diddle Portia De Rossi.

mikey_the_redneck · 12-21-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

You don't get why people were upset about the discrimination? Britney Spears made out with Madonna AND Christina Augliera years ago on one of the awards shows. None of them were banned from making public appearances afterwards. The reaction after he kissed a guy onstage was completely ridiculous and illustrated the hypocrisy regarding homosexuality in our culture... it's only "okay" if you're a female, and you're hot, so all the straight guys can get off thinking about it. Otherwise, you're Ellen eating the "bearded clam" (your lovely words) or you're just a man who's got "the gay".

The "outrage" was coming from the gay community because several media outlets as well as the general public were disgusted by it. To me, Music Award shows are family type shows and should not have anyone making out on stage. Frankly I didnt care for the Madonna/Britney thing...as I hate them both.

HPLovecraft · 12-21-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Those two make my skin crawl.....along with;
Richard Simmons
Ellen Degenerate
The host guy on Americas Next Top Model commercials
Adam Lambert
Richard Hatch
Perez Hilton
Clay Aiken!
Chers' daughter/son.....whatever "it" is now...
Barney Frank
Boy George
Rosie O'Donnell
Elton John
KD Lang

Yikes...

Peanut · 12-21-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The "outrage" was coming from the gay community because several media outlets as well as the general public were disgusted by it. To me, Music Award shows are family type shows and should not have anyone making out on stage. Frankly I didnt care for the Madonna/Britney thing...as I hate them both.

Only the homophobes were disgusted, not the "general public". Sorry.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 12-21-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Those two make my skin crawl.....along with;
Richard Simmons
Ellen Degenerate
The host guy on Americas Next Top Model commercials
Adam Lambert
Richard Hatch
Perez Hilton
Clay Aiken!
Chers' daughter/son.....whatever "it" is now...
Barney Frank
Boy George
Rosie O'Donnell
Elton John
KD Lang

See dude, that's why you come across as pretty ignorant.

Do you honestly think your list is any different than if I posted one of the the same comment with one of these lists:

John Stewart
Jerry Seinfeld
Larry David
BJ Novak
Adam Sandler
Seth Rogan
Judd Apatow

Wayne Brady
Levar Burton
Samuel L Jackson
Jamie Foxx
Beyonce
Halle Berry

Why is yours differnt?

As for your list, I can give you a lot of reasons why I don't like most of the people on your list. Most of the musicians I don't like thier music (except some Elton John), some of them are jerks, or ###### bags (Hatch, and Hilton), and some are just annoying (Ellen, and O'Donnell), you'll notice, that them being gay has nothing to do with why I don't like them.