[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What is the source of this data? It’s one of the problems IMO, seeing clean unfiltered data.

Anyway I’m pro vax 1000000% but really not in favor of using labels on people who have a different view. But that’s the world we live in.

Of course I also think people that smoke, are badly out of shape or eat junk food should have health care premiums dramatically increased. And i’m only half joking.

I am very close with a person who is a corporate officer with the largest hospital management Corp in the world. This person gave me the data today.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Actually, what is implied in his post is that everyone could be vaccinated. He explicitly stated that everyone not vaccinated is stupid.

Sounds like you're reaching and just trying to nitpick at something that everyone else used common sense to understand.

Non-vaccinated people who do have access to vaccinations but still decide to not get vaccinated are stupid. Better?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

For certain values of ‘significantly’.

At present:

1. Nobody knows how long the immunity conferred by contracting COVID lasts.

2. Nobody knows how long the immunity conferred by the vaccine lasts.

3. Nobody knows with any accuracy how effective each kind of immunity is, even against the currently known strains of the virus.

4. Nobody knows how much or little each of those two kinds of immunity will help against future variants of the virus.

For all we know, by this time next year, we could be facing a full-blown outbreak of a new COVID strain that neither vaccination nor previous infection helps to prevent. (Not a far-fetched idea: flu and cold viruses are already known to be that adaptable.) At that point, you might as well tear up your vaccine passport and use it for confetti.

What is certain is that your right of free association will henceforward exist at the whim of a bureaucracy. If for any reason they choose not to issue you a passport, you can't go anywhere that requires one. And the pressure will be strong to ensure that every public place requires one.

If you have a bad reaction to the vaccines (and considerable numbers of people do), too bad, stay home forever. If some clerk in the Department of Permitting People to Live Their Lives is having a bad day and either shreds your paperwork or just decides not to issue your document, too bad, stay home until you can go through a tediously long bureaucratic grievance process (which may not produce results even so). Hell of a way to have to live.

You’re completely talking out of your butt.

If you get double vaccinated, previous infection or not the likelihood of hospitalization drops exponentially, and is virtually eliminated the younger you are. No one cares about immunity they care about not getting sick. Know the difference before you rant like a lunatic.

Do better than BS fear mongering.

There is literally a federal “certificate” for Indian status in this country. But go on about your woe is me fears of Department of Permitting People.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1425132554173272075

[Purpdust]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Well yes, being fully vaccinated doesn't 100% protect you from contracting covid. It just significantly diminishes the possibility of you contracting covid.

I am sorry, but that statement is wrong, the vaccine helps you fight the virus when you get it, improving your chances of having no symptoms, it can not prevent you from getting it.

[FireItUp]

I strongly disagree with this policy. It makes absolutely no difference on the Covid infection rate whether you're vaccinated or not. With that said, I like most people will boycott any business who requires customers medical history (vaccine proof) to enter. We'll see how long these policies last tho, if attendance numbers aren't up to par, they'll get rid of this policy quickly.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Honestly, if I don’t ever go to a game again that is fine. I am seriously considering removing anti-vaxers from my life.

People have the right to be stupid.

I have the right to not associate with stupid people.

Get your shot you selfish pricks.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

I strongly disagree with this policy. It makes absolutely no difference on the Covid infection rate whether you're vaccinated or not. With that said, I like most people will boycott any business who requires customers medical history (vaccine proof) to enter. We'll see how long these policies last tho, if attendance numbers aren't up to par, they'll get rid of this policy quickly.

Enjoy your boycott.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

I strongly disagree with this policy. It makes absolutely no difference on the Covid infection rate whether you're vaccinated or not. With that said, I like most people will boycott any business who requires customers medical history (vaccine proof) to enter. We'll see how long these policies last tho, if attendance numbers aren't up to par, they'll get rid of this policy quickly.

LOL, might want to broaden your horizons if you think "most people" are going to boycott everywhere that requires proof of vaccination. Unless you're talking antivaxxers; obviously they'll boycott those places, but not by their own choice.

[Eb0la11]

Came in hoping for better and left disappointed in people who think they are smart or bold behind a keyboard. Your own situation shapes your opinion. To think others are wrong or right for thinking one way or another is why society has adopted such a hate mentality. How about we have some understanding for other people and why they may think one way or another. That’s what’s lacking in society. It’s called loving your neighbor and the world would be a heck of a better place if we literally loved just our neighbor better.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

I strongly disagree with this policy. It makes absolutely no difference on the Covid infection rate whether you're vaccinated or not. With that said, I like most people will boycott any business who requires customers medical history (vaccine proof) to enter. We'll see how long these policies last tho, if attendance numbers aren't up to par, they'll get rid of this policy quickly.

Please don’t let the door hit you on the way out. This kind of thinking is what extends the pandemic. You need a license to drive a car, maybe boycott car rental agencies, oh and don’t put on your seat belt either, it doesn’t guarantee safety from an automobile infection. But you’ll have your liberty!!

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Honestly, if I don’t ever go to a game again that is fine. I am seriously considering removing anti-vaxers from my life.

People have the right to be stupid.

I have the right to not associate with stupid people.

Get your shot you selfish pricks.

This is the problem with people today. When was it ever okay to ask people about their medical history? Secondly, most of the people aren't "anti-vaxers", they're just more concerned about this specific vaccine. It's new technology, not enough studies have been done on it, and we have no clue about the long-term side effects. If your going to sit there calling people stupid for having concerns about it, they're better off without you.

[Stud_McCool]

I would be ecstatic if anti-vaxxers decide to boycott going to Flames games. I'm honestly hoping this happens.

[Poe969]

This is great news, the only downfall is that you still have to be in Winnipeg to attend the games.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Eb0la11

Came in hoping for better and left disappointed in people who think they are smart or bold behind a keyboard. Your own situation shapes your opinion. To think others are wrong or right for thinking one way or another is why society has adopted such a hate mentality. How about we have some understanding for other people and why they may think one way or another. That’s what’s lacking in society. It’s called loving your neighbor and the world would be a heck of a better place if we literally loved just our neighbor better.

No Ned Flanders. Loving your neighbour will not enable the logic, empathy, and literacy for them to protect vulnerable people and get vaccinated if they don’t get it by this point.

They can enjoy COVID, and sit on the sidelines while they do so.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

This is the problem with people today. When was it ever okay to ask people about their medical history?

No one is forcing people to disclose their medical history.
If you don't want to do that...great..don't go to the games.

Simple.

And let's not pretend it is a disclosure of medical history - it's one simple part. Have you been vaccinated. Yes/No.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Boreal

You’re completely talking out of your butt.

I call bull.

If you get double vaccinated, previous infection or not the likelihood of hospitalization drops exponentially, and is virtually eliminated the younger you are. No one cares about immunity they care about not getting sick. Know the difference before you rant like a lunatic.

‘Exponentially’ is not a number. Give data or retract.

Meanwhile, a hint:

Do better than BS fear mongering.

‘BS fear mongering’ is the claim that vaccination passports and draconic restrictions are required to prevent every public gathering from becoming a ‘superspreader event’. That's your side's schtick, not mine.

There is literally a federal “certificate” for Indian status in this country. But go on about your woe is me fears of Department of Permitting People.

My wife is status Indian. At one time, her people were not permitted to leave the reserve without carrying that certificate and getting written permission from the Department of Indian Affairs. That permission was routinely denied.

So no, this is not ‘woe is me fears’. This is what happens when you give bureaucrats power to revoke your basic human rights.

In effect, you are saying that because Aboriginal Canadians used to be grossly oppressed by making them carry written permission to leave home, it is therefore a good thing for all Canadians to be grossly oppressed by the same means.

I say there are worse things than the risk of being infected by COVID, and being placed under permanent house arrest is one of them.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

This is the problem with people today. When was it ever okay to ask people about their medical history? Secondly, most of the people aren't "anti-vaxers", they're just more concerned about this specific vaccine. It's new technology, not enough studies have been done on it, and we have no clue about the long-term side effects. If your going to sit there calling people stupid for having concerns about it, they're better off without you.

Let’s see. Off the top of my head, international travel and other privileges that impact other people’s medical future.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No one is forcing people to disclose their medical history.
If you don't want to do that...great..don't go to the games.

You know perfectly well this isn't just about going to hockey games. In Quebec (I saw the news about this yesterday) it's about going to bars, restaurants, or gyms. It will be about retail stores and offices next. If the bureaucrats get their way, you will be literally forbidden to go to any public place or place of business without a vaccination passport.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Give data or retract.

You planning to provide some data for any of your claims?

Or have you been studying the data all year and, gosh, it’s just too complex for us simpletons to understand?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I call bull.



‘Exponentially’ is not a number. Give data or retract.

Meanwhile, a hint:



‘BS fear mongering’ is the claim that vaccination passports and draconic restrictions are required to prevent every public gathering from becoming a ‘superspreader event’. That's your side's schtick, not mine.



My wife is status Indian. At one time, her people were not permitted to leave the reserve without carrying that certificate and getting written permission from the Department of Indian Affairs. That permission was routinely denied.

So no, this is not ‘woe is me fears’. This is what happens when you give bureaucrats power to revoke your basic human rights.

In effect, you are saying that because Aboriginal Canadians used to be grossly oppressed by making them carry written permission to leave home, it is therefore a good thing for all Canadians to be grossly oppressed by the same means.

I say there are worse things than the risk of being infected by COVID, and being placed under permanent house arrest is one of them.

I say you have immunity to empirical facts, logic, and reason. Submit facts you didn’t fart out of your mouth and I’ll return the favour.

Oh boy more privilege.

Don’t like to stay home… get vaccinated.
Feeling grossly oppressed… get vaccinated.
Feeling like minimizing COVID risks to children… get vaccinated.

I’m not sure, but I don’t think there was a vaccine decades ago to enable white privilege for indigenous people without losing their treaty status, but go on about your oppression and fear mongering.

Your privileges are not rights and your inconvenience is not oppression.