[News] Upd: Canadian NHL Teams to require proof of vaccination to attend any arena events

[Skyceman]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

My 15 year old non-vaccinated cousin just contracted Covid for the second time in 5 months

My fully-vacinated buddy just contracted COVID.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I’m just guessing you weren’t planning on going to many games in your skinny jeans and long board?

TIL that getting vaccinated doesn't do anything to prevent disease unless everybody in the room is also vaccinated. I also learned that anyone who thinks differently is riding a skateboard.

Apparently my skateboard is invisible. But I guess I'd better believe you before my lying eyes.

[tvp2003]

Unless is 100% clear CSEC will make more money at the end of the day, I think there is zero likelihood that the Flames adopt something like this.

At the Stamps game there was virtually nothing (except for the huge lineup to get in if you had a bag) to suggest Covid precautions were being taken. They got rid of cash transactions and paper tickets, but that was pretty much it.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

My fully-vacinated buddy just contracted COVID.

Well yes, being fully vaccinated doesn't 100% protect you from contracting covid. It just significantly diminishes the possibility of you contracting covid.

Take 100,000 fully vaccinated people & 100,000 non-vaccinated people and put them together in a room. Dven though there'll still be a number of the fully vaccinated people that contract covid, the number of non-vaccinated people that contract covid will be significantly higher.

Not sure what your point is.

[N-E-B]

I don’t really agree with these types of policies, but I’m also fully vaccinated so it won’t affect me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Wow profiling me now? I don't wear skinny jeans or longboard. Im a 32 year old tradesman who looks like a viking, hope that helps you accurately judge me.

Aren't you the one that started with "boomer town" in your post?
Don't like labels? Don't use them.

[scobel]

I say this as a person who is fully vaccinated and believe that people should be vaccinated. I have two concerns and maybe they are not that big of deal.
1. When does it end or will ever end? I just wonder what is the future holds for showing proof of other medical vaccines or even extending to treatments.
2. If you are fully vaccinated why is there such a concern that other people get vaccinated? I really do think the only way we achieve some type of herd immunity is to open it up and the people who are not vaccinated will unfortunately, may get sick. I am just hoping the ICU cases can remain low which I hope the having higher rates of the elderly vaccinated will help.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by scobel

I say this as a person who is fully vaccinated and believe that people should be vaccinated. I have two concerns and maybe they are not that big of deal.
1. When does it end or will ever end? I just wonder what is the future holds for showing proof of other medical vaccines or even extending to treatments.
2. If you are fully vaccinated why is there such a concern that other people get vaccinated? I really do think the only way we achieve some type of herd immunity is to open it up and the people who are not vaccinated will unfortunately, may get sick. I am just hoping the ICU cases can remain low which I hope the having higher rates of the elderly vaccinated will help.

For me - I'm not going to take unnecessary risks (such as going to a hockey game) until my daughter is able to be vaccinated.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I don't disagree with the policy, but for those of us vaccinated, what difference should it make?

here's my take.... the vaccines don't make you immune to covid - they make the symptoms less severe. i'm fully vaccinated and say i go to a game and the guy sitting beside me is covid positive and i get it from him. now, i don't get super sick or anything, however, i still have it and bring it home. my wife and daughter are severe asthmatics. my daughter is 8 - she can't get a vaccine. if she gets covid it's likely a death sentence.

our son will get the mildest of mild bugs (he'll be "off" for a a day or two then back to normal) and then our daughter catches the bug from our son - she misses 2 weeks of school. that's already happened three times. it seems like every time she catches a bug it goes right to her lungs.

i had to rush her to hospital the first time she had an asthma attack - the hospital gave her the equivalent of 32 doses of ventolin just to open her airway enough so they could then get different medicine into her lungs to counteract the asthma attack. after 3 days in hospital we were able to bring her home.

so yea - that's my fear - especially since covid attacks the respiratory system.

any policy that helps reduce the spread and severity of this virus the better.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Take 100,000 fully vaccinated people & 100,000 non-vaccinated people and put them together in a room. Dven though there'll still be a number of the fully vaccinated people that contract covid, the number of non-vaccinated people that contract covid will be significantly higher.

For certain values of ‘significantly’.

At present:

1. Nobody knows how long the immunity conferred by contracting COVID lasts.

2. Nobody knows how long the immunity conferred by the vaccine lasts.

3. Nobody knows with any accuracy how effective each kind of immunity is, even against the currently known strains of the virus.

4. Nobody knows how much or little each of those two kinds of immunity will help against future variants of the virus.

For all we know, by this time next year, we could be facing a full-blown outbreak of a new COVID strain that neither vaccination nor previous infection helps to prevent. (Not a far-fetched idea: flu and cold viruses are already known to be that adaptable.) At that point, you might as well tear up your vaccine passport and use it for confetti.

What is certain is that your right of free association will henceforward exist at the whim of a bureaucracy. If for any reason they choose not to issue you a passport, you can't go anywhere that requires one. And the pressure will be strong to ensure that every public place requires one.

If you have a bad reaction to the vaccines (and considerable numbers of people do), too bad, stay home forever. If some clerk in the Department of Permitting People to Live Their Lives is having a bad day and either shreds your paperwork or just decides not to issue your document, too bad, stay home until you can go through a tediously long bureaucratic grievance process (which may not produce results even so). Hell of a way to have to live.

[Roof-Daddy]

Good. Hopefully this becomes more and more common not only in sports but just life in general.

Its time to start squeezing the pro-diseasers hard.

[Skyceman]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Well yes, being fully vaccinated doesn't 100% protect you from contracting covid. It just significantly diminishes the possibility of you contracting covid.

Take 100,000 fully vaccinated people & 100,000 non-vaccinated people and put them together in a room. Dven though there'll still be a number of the fully vaccinated people that contract covid, the number of non-vaccinated people that contract covid will be significantly higher.

Not sure what your point is.

Same point you were trying to make.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Good. Hopefully this becomes more and more common not only in sports but just life in general.

Its time to start squeezing the pro-diseasers hard.

‘Pro-diseasers’?

Hey, don't look at me. If they had followed my advice at the first outbreak, COVID wouldn't exist at all now.

I said at the time that limiting the size of gatherings was the way to go, but they didn't go far enough. No gatherings larger than half a person should ever be allowed anywhere. Cut everybody in two down the middle; I guarantee that neither half of the person will ever catch COVID.

What, you don't think you should be killed to prevent the spread of a virus? You dirty pro-diseaser, you.

(Or maybe, just maybe, there are possible cures that are worse than the disease, and people in real life have more than one issue to be concerned about.)

[timbit]

97 percent of Covid hospital cases in the USA are unvaccinated patients.

The average age of ICU patients in hospitals is 42 years old.

You have to be some kind of dumb not to be vaccinated.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by timbit

97 percent of Covid hospital cases in the USA are unvaccinated patients.

The average age of ICU patients in hospitals is 42 years old.

You have to be some kind of dumb not to be vaccinated.

TIL that everyone under 12 is some kind of dumb.

TIL that everyone who's allergic to the vaccines used is some kind of dumb.

TIL that people who haven't had access to vaccines because their cluster#### government didn't make sufficient quantities available is some kind of dumb.

Amazing the things you can learn on the internet.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

TIL that everyone under 12 is some kind of dumb.

TIL that everyone who's allergic to the vaccines used is some kind of dumb.

TIL that people who haven't had access to vaccines because their cluster#### government didn't make sufficient quantities available is some kind of dumb.

Amazing the things you can learn on the internet.

It’s implied in his post that he meant those who could be vaccinated and chose not to.


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[Enoch Root]

This would be a great topic for a poll (for season ticket holders). Three questions that I would suggest:

1) are you planning to renew your tickets?

2) are you vaccinated?

3) would a mandatory vaccination policy change your plans? (positively / negatively / not at all)

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by timbit

97 percent of Covid hospital cases in the USA are unvaccinated patients.

The average age of ICU patients in hospitals is 42 years old.

You have to be some kind of dumb not to be vaccinated.

What is the source of this data? It’s one of the problems IMO, seeing clean unfiltered data.

Anyway I’m pro vax 1000000% but really not in favor of using labels on people who have a different view. But that’s the world we live in.

Of course I also think people that smoke, are badly out of shape or eat junk food should have health care premiums dramatically increased. And i’m only half joking.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It’s implied in his post that he meant those who could be vaccinated and chose not to.


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Yeah, but if you read it with common sense, how can you go off on it?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It’s implied in his post that he meant those who could be vaccinated and chose not to.

Actually, what is implied in his post is that everyone could be vaccinated. He explicitly stated that everyone not vaccinated is stupid.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, but if you read it with common sense, how can you go off on it?

When someone makes a remark so obviously lacking in common sense, it would be inappropriate to assume common sense in interpreting it.

I consider it far more likely that the remark I responded to was a jerk saying a jerkish thing.