US Supreme Court rules same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

There really aren't though, and the only reason it seems like there are is because they yell bat#### crazy things and people repeat it and post it and write news articles about it.

There are a large number of Americans who don't agree that gay marriage should be legalized. There is almost no one who thinks it's anything but disgusting to compare this to 9/11.

It's the mindset more than the comparisons. Christians in America, Evangelicals in particular, are feeling "persecuted" and that their "rights are being trampled on" and many are saying secede or have a convention of states. And when you have an entire media network pumping up those thoughts in Fox, it only drives and perpetuates the belief.

This is why Cruz and Huckabee are pursuing this voting block so strongly. It's pretty much 30% of the entire electorate. You can go a long way with that many guaranteed votes, particularly running against Hillary who will drive down voter turnout.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

There really aren't though, and the only reason it seems like there are is because they yell bat#### crazy things and people repeat it and post it and write news articles about it.

There are a large number of Americans who don't agree that gay marriage should be legalized. There is almost no one who thinks it's anything but disgusting to compare this to 9/11.

You say this, but...

This crazy (Americans) just popped up on my Facebook (spoilered for size)

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[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well, sure, but if I based my view of humanity on what's written on the internet I'd probably have to kill myself.

Also, you note how they're trying to make this into a technical argument about states' rights and what the constitution allows for? That right there is progress - they can't simply say "gays are unnatural and the work of the devil" anymore.

[PsYcNeT]

I like that their technical argument relies on quoting Ayn Rand and OG crazy Mormon Ezra Taft Benson.

[rubecube]

Oh boy...

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Texas attorney general orders clerks NOT to issue Gay marriage licenses. Says state law is above Supreme Court.

[JiriHrdina]

It wasn't so long ago that this discussion actually ended up in a heated debate - with a number of posters arguing against allowing same-sex marriage. Good to see that this is being universally celebrated on here.

Of course we may have banned one or two of those idiots over the years too. So there's that.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Huckabee is really losing his ####

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Gov. Mike Huckabee ‏@GovMikeHuckabee 19 mins19 minutes ago
The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the laws of gravity.

Yeah! And evolution!

Wait.... what?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this one

Yeah, but who the #$&* is that guy?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Oh boy...

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Texas attorney general orders clerks NOT to issue Gay marriage licenses. Says state law is above Supreme Court.

Should be immediately arrested.

Incidentally, apparently Sen. Lindsay Graham (R - South Carolina) agrees with me - this fight's over. In response to Republican presidential Candidates tearing their hair out over this, a dose of sober reality:

Given the quickly changing tide of public opinion on this issue, I do not believe that an attempt to amend the U.S. Constitution could possibly gain the support of three-fourths of the states or a supermajority in the U.S. Congress.

[Ozy_Flame]

Some people just have to be brought into the modern age kicking and screaming.

Reminds me of people who's houses need to be bulldozed but refuse to leave because "they've been there for 40 darn years, and ain't about to leave now, god sarnit!"

[PsYcNeT]

I cannot facepalm any harder.

[bigtmac19]

This is a great decision by the Court. Unfortunately it's not going to do a lot to change attitudes in the US. Definitely a great step, but unfortunately ignorance and bigotry will continue unabated.

[CaptainCrunch]

So I looked it up based on the comments from Texas' attorney general

The preemption doctrine originates from the supremacy clause of Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. This doctrine states that any federal law, even if it is only a regulation from a federal agency, supersedes any conflicting state law, even if that law is part of the state's constitution.

Pretty good description here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lesley...b_4676579.html

So, does federal law recognize same-sex marriage?
Yes. The federal government must now recognize valid same-sex marriages according to the U.S. Supreme Court's June 26, 2013 decision in U.S. v. Windsor. This decision cleared the way for same-sex married couples to receive federal benefits. Yet not all facets of the federal government adhere to that. The IRS recognizes same-sex marriage as married under all federal tax provisions where marriage is a factor. The Social Security Administration however, only recognizes marriages that are valid in the state where the couple lives for the purposes of granting federal benefits. This means if you're in a same-sex marriage but live in a non-recognition state, you aren't eligible for Social Security benefits on your spouse's work record

[Senator Clay Davis]

Can't embed Vines but Magneto is very happy

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[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So I looked it up based on the comments from Texas' attorney general

I suspect the Texas AG's comments have less to do with a substantive argument and more to do with the fact that even though this ruling has been ISSUED, it hasn't come into effect yet. Governors will likely draw that implementation process out for as long as they're able in southern states.

[pylon]

This is absolutely awesome. Every few Presidents there is a big monumental accomplishment that will always be tied to them. IMHO the last big one was during Reagan's term, with him contributing largely to the Berlin Wall coming down. To me, this is bigger, because it directly benefits America.

Of all the things Obama will be praised for decades from now, this will likely be his big legacy, which is awesome. Clinton will always be remembered for the Lewinski scandal, and Bush's legacy will always be invading Iraq with crappy evidence. Even though there is a large segment of the US population that think this is as bad as those scandals, and a black mark on Obama, truthfully their opinion simply doesn't matter, and 50 years from now, they will be looked at no differently than we view Southern racists from the 1950's right now. As scum.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by pylon

This is absolutely awesome. Every few Presidents there is a big monumental accomplishment that will always be tied to them. IMHO the last big one was during Reagan's term, with him contributing largely to the Berlin Wall coming down. To me, this is bigger, because it directly benefits America.

Of all the things Obama will be praised for decades from now, this will likely be his big legacy, which is awesome. Clinton will always be remembered for the Lewinski scandal, and Bush's legacy will always be invading Iraq with crappy evidence. Even though there is a large segment of the US population that think this is as bad as those scandals, and a black mark on Obama, truthfully their opinion simply doesn't matter, and 50 years from now, they will be looked at no differently than we view Southern racists from the 1950's right now. As scum.

Uhhh...this really doesn't have anything to do with Obama. It's a Supreme Court decision. That's like crediting Mulroney with legalizing abortion because the decision came down when he was PM.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Really? This will be his big legacy, not the whole socialized medicine thing? He didn't have anything directly to do with this (though being the first overtly pro-gay-marriage President helped a ton).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by pylon

This is absolutely awesome. Every few Presidents there is a big monumental accomplishment that will always be tied to them. IMHO the last big one was during Reagan's term, with him contributing largely to the Berlin Wall coming down. To me, this is bigger, because it directly benefits America.

Of all the things Obama will be praised for decades from now, this will likely be his big legacy, which is awesome. Clinton will always be remembered for the Lewinski scandal, and Bush's legacy will always be invading Iraq with crappy evidence. Even though there is a large segment of the US population that think this is as bad as those scandals, and a black mark on Obama, truthfully their opinion simply doesn't matter, and 50 years from now, they will be looked at no differently than we view Southern racists from the 1950's right now. As scum.

Denying marriage will never be looked at the same as ending segregation. While important, equal marriage will not be as important as the beginning of universal healthcare under his watch. Especially considering Obama has very little to do with this ruling

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This is why Cruz and Huckabee are pursuing this voting block so strongly. It's pretty much 30% of the entire electorate. You can go a long way with that many guaranteed votes, particularly running against Hillary who will drive down voter turnout.

Sure but it's the independent block that decides elections and this is the type of thing that independents run away from into the arms of the democrats.


Anyways...tip of the hat to 5 Justices. Wag of the finger to the other 4.

Pretty good couple of days....upholding the tax subsidies for Obamacare (6-3 decision), the marriage equality decision and the Pope climate change writings. This will whip the Tea Party contingent into a frenzy which will hopefully carry through to the Tea Party candidate getting the GOP nomination which will be a guaranteed loss for them in the main battle.