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Old 06-29-2014, 06:44 PM   #61
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Hartley turned Butler into a serviceable player... the useless guy that almost cried when he was at fault for a goal. He could probably work wonders with Gilbert
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:47 PM   #62
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Gilbert is ripe with "no good" taint... I think he would blossom and contribute in our system.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:48 PM   #63
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No, he is right. Gilbert is better than Butler, but he is still not what we need.
You can't possibly believe that.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:49 PM   #64
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Don't really care. We need to spend money and were not giving anything up.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:54 PM   #65
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The Butler / Gilbert debate seems pretty irrelevant to me.

We're talking about the #6 guy on a lottery team here. Just looking for an NHL body (though some physicality would be nice)
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:06 PM   #66
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Hartley turned Butler into a serviceable player... the useless guy that almost cried when he was at fault for a goal. He could probably work wonders with Gilbert
To be fair, I'm pretty sure it's Cloutier who's done the teaching with the defencemen.
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:08 PM   #67
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Not a fan, hoping this isn't true.
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:26 PM   #68
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No more than 2 year deal please.
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:30 PM   #69
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my first thought is. Dustin Neilsen is from Edmonton and knows nothing. After that. not much.
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:43 PM   #70
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All your ex-oilers shut down D are belong to us ??
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:01 PM   #71
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I wonder what both Panther fans think of Tom Gilbert's play last season.
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I guess it depends on the price tag and term.

Getting ex-Oilers can be fun if they turn into Oiler killers.
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:45 PM   #73
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Gilbert instead of Butler? Cant believe anyone would complain. Doesnt have to be Gilbert either, pick anyone. Its Wotherspoons spot to lose.

I can not think of any defenseman on the team that has coffed up the puck as much as Butler ever. Tons of blocked shots? Stop passing to the other teams forwards and you wont have to block shots!

I would prefer Granlund play defense, he takes the body more, can skate, and actually pass. You may say Granlund isn't a defenseman and you would be right, but neither is BUTLER!
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:36 PM   #74
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I guess it depends on the price tag and term.

Getting ex-Oilers can be fun if they turn into Oiler killers.
Remember this awesome game? http://flames.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/...?id=2010021127

Oilers went up 4-1 with 16:29 left in the third, then Iggy, Glencross, and Staios scored to tie it, and the Flames won in the shootout. It was the only time I was glad Staios was on the Flames' roster.


Also, it's crazy how much both teams' rosters have turned over in only 3 seasons. The only players left on the Flames are Gio, Backlund, Stajan, Glencross, and Bouma; and the only Oilers left are Eberle, Jones, and Petry (plus Hall who was injured).
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Remember this awesome game? http://flames.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/...?id=2010021127

Oilers went up 4-1 with 16:29 left in the third, then Iggy, Glencross, and Staios scored to tie it, and the Flames won in the shootout. It was the only time I was glad Staios was on the Flames' roster.


Also, it's crazy how much both teams' rosters have turned over in only 3 seasons. The only players left on the Flames are Gio, Backlund, Stajan, Glencross, and Bouma; and the only Oilers left are Eberle, Jones, and Petry (plus Hall who was injured).
Gio Backlund and Bouma have improved greatly. Oilers are consistently no good
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Gilbert instead of Butler? Cant believe anyone would complain. Doesnt have to be Gilbert either, pick anyone. Its Wotherspoons spot to lose.

I can not think of any defenseman on the team that has coffed up the puck as much as Butler ever. Tons of blocked shots? Stop passing to the other teams forwards and you wont have to block shots!

I would prefer Granlund play defense, he takes the body more, can skate, and actually pass. You may say Granlund isn't a defenseman and you would be right, but neither is BUTLER!
Not the world's biggest Butler fan, but even I would admit that to even make the NHL, you need to be one of the best players in the world, so I think he is a defensemen.

Regardless, I still would prefer to make room for someone instead of Butler, and maybe it's Gilbert if the price is right.
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I don't understand how some of these conclusion's are met on CP. So if we make a minor-ish free agent signing of a D-man who will probably be a 4/5/6th Dman we have completely abandoned the rebuild?
Apparently I green text was required on my part there.
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:49 PM   #78
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Why would we go after a #6D? They can overpay a #3D or #4D to help out going over the salary cap ceiling then promote one of the young guy like Wotherspoon to be #6 or #7D. Not a fan of Tom Gilbert though.
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:49 PM   #79
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Not an awful free agent signing if they did. I've come to accept that they're incredibly unlikely to get Niskanen or Boychuk, so all us fans have to keep our expectations down.

Guys like Tom Gilbert are basically who we can expect to over payto join a rebuilding club.
I agree except it was missing this ^
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Why would we go after a #6D? They can overpay a #3D or #4D to help out going over the salary cap ceiling then promote one of the young guy like Wotherspoon to be #6 or #7D. Not a fan of Tom Gilbert though.

Have you seen the list of ufa dmen available? There is probably only 2-3 top 4 dman available. They will get paid and have a chance to get in playoffs.

The only way I see flames getting true top 4 dman is through trade. Even then it will cost a lot in assets.
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