[Signing] Flames sign Brossoit to ELC ($925k AAV)

[renny]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

I think many people would give credit to Weisbrod for those picks, not Feaster

If Weisbrod was here during the Sutter era, we would have still drafted big western Canadian boys. So that's a ridiculous argument. In the end Feaster still had to trust his staff's advice.

[frodo_t_baggins]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

I think many people would give credit to Weisbrod for those picks, not Feaster

Why? He wasn't part of the organization during this draft...

[logan_izer10]

Originally Posted by frodo_t_baggins

Why? He wasn't part of the organization during this draft...

My mistake, thought he was

[GrrlGoalie33]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Well, I'm no scout, but I would have said a year ago that Dreidger is a better goalie, but Brossoit is having a great year. Wasn't Dreidger drafted in the early or mid third round? I don't recall. Brossoit went in the sixth, I do recall. Brossoit is a little bigger and is playing very well. He seems to be a money goalie in that he did very well in the playoffs last year, and is doing that again. I attended all three OKs first-round games against Kootenay and he was lights out. I admit that I don't know Dreidger as well, but I think he's the better prospect. NHL teams are going bigger goalies and LB fits the bill, as does Dreidger who is not small although LB is slightly bigger, I think. Of the three of them, I like Jarry the best. You guys shouldn't expect to see Brossoit for several years, if he makes it at all. My money is on him never being an NHL regular, although I know that's not what the fans want to hear. Goalies are a crap shoot. We'll get a better comparison if the Kings play Calgary in the playoffs.

Edit: Bear in mind that Brossoit plays in front of a top-notch defense. That will make his numbers look better.

Dreidger was a 3rd rounder. I expect we'll see more consistency out of him next year as a 19 year old. He's far better than he was last year with his consistencey, but I expect next year to be even better.

[Vox]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

I think many people would give credit to Weisbrod for those picks, not Feaster

If people are going to hold Feaster accountable for his staff's mistakes, which is reasonable, then he has to be granted credit for their successes. It doesn't seem fair to tag him with everything bad and deny him any of the good.

[Vulcan]

Feaster's picks look good so far but it's too early to start throwing kudos his way.

[Dion]

As of late the Flames luck with drafting goaltenders is not good. First it was Brent Krahn and then it was Leland Lrving..... I hope Broissot doesn't turn out like the former two

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Dion

As of late the Flames luck with drafting goaltenders is not good. First it was Brent Krahn and then it was Leland Lrving..... I hope Broissot doesn't turn out like the former two

Well he doesn't have the first round curse of inflated expectations.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well he doesn't have the first round curse of inflated expectations.

There is still high expectations for Broissot, regardless of where he was drafted based on his play of the past 2 seasons.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

If you guys don't mind a scouting report from an Oilers fan, I'll provide this.

I'm a big Oil Kings fan and go to a lot of their games and have watched Brossoit a great deal. In my view, he's not the best goalie on the team. Tristan Jarry is the best athlete and the best prospect. I think Jarry's numbers are better playing a backup role. He'll be the starter next season and has the potential to go in the second round, but third or fourth is more likely. I think LB went in the sixth, if I recall correctly.

Having said this, Brossoit is l,ights out these playoffs. He's big and his positional play is excellent. He's a good prospect but I think he'll never be more than a backup at the NHL level and his likely role is as an AHL goalie who has a (long) shot as an NHL backup. His teammate love him so he'll be a good guy in the room.

Watch Jarry, however. He's younger and will be better. He has NHL starter potential.

Just a quick question because I don't see much of the Oil Kings, but if Jarry is so much better why does the coach play Brossoit instead? I usually thought that junior hockey coaches are paid to win the Memorial Cup.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Just a quick question because I don't see much of the Oil Kings, but if Jarry is so much better why does the coach play Brossoit instead? I usually thought that junior hockey coaches are paid to win the Memorial Cup.

Broissoit is just over two years older and he's probably the better goalie right now because he's more developed. I said Jarry is the better prospect and the better athlete but he's a kid. I think he will take great strides the next two years as he takes over the starting job. Jarry's numbers are better than Broissoit's, despite his age.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I like how ye bounced back from struggling early.

Really interested to see what he does as a pro next year, be it in the Echl to start or wherever.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Dion

As of late the Flames luck with drafting goaltenders is not good. First it was Brent Krahn and then it was Leland Lrving..... I hope Broissot doesn't turn out like the former two

Brossoit doesn't have the reputation to live up to as the other two.

I'll be excited if Brossoit has an NHL career given his 6th round nature.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Dion

As of late the Flames luck with drafting goaltenders is not good. First it was Brent Krahn and then it was Leland Lrving..... I hope Broissot doesn't turn out like the former two

I hope the Flames don't ever spend another first round pick on a goalie. They are even harder to gAuge than other position players and take forever to develop. Plus the late rounde goalies are just as likely to develop as first rounders.

But I have a feeling the Flames will probably use one of their first rounders on Fucale, just seems like the type of thing they would do.

[Caged Great]

If I was picking, I would select 1 goalie per draft (or two if you really like them) all with 6th or 7th round picks until you get a long term replacement for Kipper. It doesn't matter if you play them in the AHL, NCAA, or overseas. You just need to keep throwing the darts at the board until one or more hits. It's extremely difficult to determine who's going to be good until they're given a shot in the league.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If I was picking, I would select 1 goalie per draft (or two if you really like them) all with 6th or 7th round picks until you get a long term replacement for Kipper. It doesn't matter if you play them in the AHL, NCAA, or overseas. You just need to keep throwing the darts at the board until one or more hits. It's extremely difficult to determine who's going to be good until they're given a shot in the league.

Can't say I disagree. Anything after the first dozen or so picks (some would argue those as well) is a crap shoot. As bad as that is goalies are an even bigger crap shoot. One or two picks with the late rounds is what I would be looking at.

[MoneyGuy]

After having watched Brossoit in many games this season and every home playoff game, I think you guys have a good prospect here. He has the benefit of playing behind the best defense in the WHL, so there are few scoring chances. However, when called upon, he makes the big save. His positioning is excellent, as he's seldom in the wrong place (ha, unlike the Hat goalie the other night who was actually backwards in his net on one OKs goal). I think if that draft was redone, he'd move up a round or two to late fourth or in the fifth round.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If I was picking, I would select 1 goalie per draft (or two if you really like them) all with 6th or 7th round picks until you get a long term replacement for Kipper. It doesn't matter if you play them in the AHL, NCAA, or overseas. You just need to keep throwing the darts at the board until one or more hits. It's extremely difficult to determine who's going to be good until they're given a shot in the league.

It does seem as though the likelihood of getting a good starting goaltender is a wash throughout all rounds of the draft. I'm sure there is a higher success rate if you draft them in the first round, but the bust potential is enormous.

I'd say the Flames are following your model, CG. Brossoit & Gillies with late picks are proving to be solid goalie prospects.

Broissoit's back-up in Edmonton, Jarry, is putting up the best numbers of any draft-eligible goalie. Again, playing behind the same strong team as LB. MoneyGuy reckons he's the better prospect. What's the harm in using a 3rd rounder on him, if we've stocked up on other positions in the 1st round?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I hope we add to that list, but the last "best player outside the NHL" we signed didn't fair to well.

I don't think Cervenka has done that badly. He is on pace for about 15 goals and 30 points as a rookie, I don't see any problem with that what so ever. The problem is too many people had such over inflated expectations of him that he just couldn't live up to them. People also underestimated the effect things like culture shock, being away from his family and the difference between the North American and European style of game.

I would definitely give Cervenka another chance if he is willing to re-sign here. I think he will continue to improve and show more of the skill he has shown flashes of. I would not be shocked to see him score 20 goals next year and finish with 40-50 points.

[StrykerSteve]

I've liked Cervenka this year. Not quite as explosive as I was hoping for, but he still produces a lot of scoring chances, something a lot of guys on the roster failed to consistently do this season.