04-02-2013, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater
Parents should have the right to decide if they want their kids to be vaccinated. Period.
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And that parent's right to make that decision ends at the point where the potential consequences of that decision infringes upon another parent's right to have their child kept in a community that is generally healthy as reasonable precautions have been taken.
One person's right to a decision like that ends at the point where the consequences of that decision affect individuals outside of the decision maker's care.
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04-02-2013, 03:22 PM
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#62
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FFS man, just google or wiki the damn thing:
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative.
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04-02-2013, 03:23 PM
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#63
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater
Parents should have the right to decide if they want their kids to be vaccinated. Period.
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No, they shouldn't. It's child endangerment, and parents who refuse vaccinations should have to answer to child services
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04-02-2013, 03:23 PM
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It's pretty sad that people are willing to deprive their children of some of the greatest medical advancements in human history due to their own ignorance and stubbornness.
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04-02-2013, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JonDuke
Also...I believe herd immunity is a theory. Not fact.
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Go ahead, don't vaccinate your kid. The world is already too populated. Darwinism at it's finest!
edit: I guess I should say- Darwinism is a set of theories, so it doesn't apply to you.
Last edited by krynski; 04-02-2013 at 03:29 PM.
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04-02-2013, 03:38 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by JonDuke
Thanks for all the replies, both pro and con vaccines. Again...I'm not here to make the debate on whether my decision is right or if you're wrong. I'm here simply to see if a school can legally deny access to a child who had not been immunized.
Also...I believe herd immunity is a theory. Not fact.
Thanks again for the responses!
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Normally, I'm down for a good sarcastic or witty response to posts I don't agree with. But in this case, there's no need. JonDuke for you, your wife and your child, please do some more research and soulsearching.
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04-02-2013, 03:40 PM
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Get your damn kid vaccinated.
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Typical dumb take.
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04-02-2013, 03:41 PM
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I wonder if the law will eventually allow for parents of unvaccinated children to be charged with a crime if their child spreads an easily preventable disease to a child who is too young or otherwise medically unable to be vaccinated.
Maybe not murder (although that is what it looks like), but child endangerment, or abuse.
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04-02-2013, 03:43 PM
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Takes like a second to get the vaccinations done. Just do it. why go through the trouble of finding out whether its required for admission or not? I can hear all the people from 19th century and before yelling at you from their graves
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04-02-2013, 03:44 PM
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I don't trust red lights. If I stop at them I might get autism.
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04-02-2013, 03:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JonDuke
Thanks for all the replies, both pro and con vaccines. Again...I'm not here to make the debate on whether my decision is right or if you're wrong. I'm here simply to see if a school can legally deny access to a child who had not been immunized.
Also...I believe herd immunity is a theory. Not fact.
Thanks again for the responses!
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You're right, it is a theory. It's a darn good one at that.
And, as has been pointed out, if you understood what that meant, you'd go get your kid vaccinated.
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04-02-2013, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Thor
Sorry this is an old canard by anti vaxxers, while there is of course improvement to health because of more sanitary practices, there is of course no doubt vaccinations and better medical breakthroughs are mostly to thank.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...ts-most-naked/
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Ermahgerd please don't put me in their line up!
Infecting yourself with a weakened disease so your own immune system can fight it- thus creating an immunity - just makes sense.
Creating a waste management system where disease is safely removed far way from hands and mouths before it can affect you - makes sense!
I guess we are just on different sides of the same argument. Both are necessary, but one is more vital than the other... I can live with that.
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04-02-2013, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JonDuke
I don't want to turn this into a tinfoil hat thread at all, but I simply do not trust vaccines. If I say that, can they deny admission for our son?
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It did. You didn't stand a chance.
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04-02-2013, 03:47 PM
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No immunization should equal mandatory preschool admittance...
...for the idiot parents who don't vaccinate their children.
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04-02-2013, 03:48 PM
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Did we all get trolled? Like some sort of late April Fools day joke?
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04-02-2013, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Regorium
Did we all get trolled? Like some sort of late April Fools day joke?
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I think it's nice to see the community band together for once.
Kind of a fuzzy feeling.
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04-02-2013, 03:49 PM
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#77
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Don't let your children or other people's children suffer from your poor judgement. Get them vaccinated. You want to put your own health at risk fine but give your kids every opportunity to make their own mistakes and not live with yours.
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04-02-2013, 03:50 PM
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I don't think the OP said that he doesn't trust science. Not trusting vaccines does not necessarily make one a creationist (which seems to be what some peope are implying). Also, one can acknowledge that vaccines work, but be wary of things being added to them. I am not saying people should or shouldn't be cautious about it, but it's quite different than simply being anti-science.
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04-02-2013, 03:51 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Regorium
Did we all get trolled? Like some sort of late April Fools day joke?
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I would hope so, but unfortunately, I think he's actually not vaccinating his child.
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04-02-2013, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't think the OP said that he doesn't trust science. Not trusting vaccines does not necessarily make one a creationist (which seems to be what some peope are implying). Also, one can acknowledge that vaccines work, but be wary of things being added to them. I am not saying people should or shouldn't be cautious about it, but it's quite different than simply being anti-science.
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No, that's not at all what I or anyone else was saying.
They are simply two "beliefs" which require similar levels of cognitive dissonance, gullibility, and to be frank, stupidity.
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