Can no immunization = No Preschool?

[evman150]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Your meme is bad and you should feel bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

It's not surprising that a poorly reasoned position is supported by a poorly reasoned meme.

I consider these nutters on par with young earth creationists. If you (anti-vaxers) laugh at them, well, that's how the rest of us laugh at you.

[PsYcNeT]

A meme so stupid it had to be posted twice!

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

My wife and I are filling out the application for our son to go to pre-school.

One of the questions is "Is the child's immunizations up to date"
We circle no.
They then ask "If no, please indicate reason"

I don't want to turn this into a tinfoil hat thread at all, but I simply do not trust vaccines. If I say that, can they deny admission for our son?

OR is there a PC answer that I should be using?

You could write "My wife thinks Jenny Mccarthy is smarter than science and I don't have the cojones to tell her she's wrong"

[Sliver]

OMG, I always think this kind of craziness happens in the bible belt in the States. Unreal to think this is happening in Calgary.

[ResAlien]

Not sure about the legality of it but if they do allow you to enroll your unvaccinated spawn could you please post the name of the preschool so it can be avoided by people who don't want their kids to get preventable diseases because you don't trust science? Thanks.

[Daradon]

We need another round of polio to show people just how effective and important vaccines are.

Course, with all the people thinking their few hours of internet research makes them smarter than 150 years of science and research, that may just happen.

Vaccinate your damn kids!

[PsYcNeT]

You'd think all those infant whooping cough deaths from last year would make people think twice about the whole herd immunity issue.

But nope, Jenny Mcarthy.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Thor

Well at least you acknowledged that its tinfoil to distrust vaccinations, I mean the overwhelming evidence is on the side of vaccinations.

I would not want my children in a preschool with kids not vaccinated.

One of the interesting pieces of evidence that get ignored consistently with the rapid decline of disease in the last century which is when cities made upgrades to waste removal (sewers). It makes sense because most of these diseases polio, small pox, tetanus (tet - anus; he he he), for example, are only transported through fecal matter. I believe these types of vaccines are not as important (necessary) as airborne ones.

I also believe that pharmaceuticals are working hard to create better injections that do not include the scary elements that bring fear into the parents of children. Which is another plus.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Your meme is bad and you should feel bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Why the hell would I feel bad?? My "herd" has been vaccinated

[evman150]

Obligatory Jenny Mac body count post:

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.co...ount/Home.html

[Cowboy89]

This might be an example of how our western society has jumped the shark. We're starting to forget the actual reasons why we led the world in scientific advancement and progress in the past and doom ourselves to old forgotten calamities.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The most trusted face in immunization arguments.

agreed. Maybe the vast amounts of semen swallowing from infinite partners has a lot more to do with the son's autism than vaccinations do.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by guzzy

agreed. Maybe the vast amounts of semen swallowing from infinite partners has a lot more to do with the son's autism than vaccinations do.

Really, not necessary on this forum.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I also believe that pharmaceuticals are working hard to create better injections that do not include the scary elements that bring fear into the parents of children. Which is another plus.

Good to see we're wasting millions of dollars in order to assuage the fears of morons.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

Why the hell would I feel bad?? My "herd" has been vaccinated

Poe's law.

[Thor]

Neat info chart on the deaths of the last century, especially the infectious diseases.

But the most interest information is in the Infectious Disease section. Nearly 1.7 billion people have died from infectious diseases. Some of the more interesting numbers are:

Diphtheria–0.76 million deaths
Hepatitis B–12.7 million deaths
Measles–96.7 million deaths
Meningitis-21.9 million deaths
Polio–0.13 million deaths
Smallpox–400 million deaths (yes, 400 million)
Tetanus–37.1 million deaths
Whooping cough–38.1 million deaths
In the 21st Century, the numbers of deaths from these diseases will probably be in the few thousand worldwide. Why? Because of vaccines. Not better sanitation. Not better health care facilities. But because of vaccines.

The graph

Spoiler!

From http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skept...b_source=pubv1

[firebug]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

One of the interesting pieces of evidence that get ignored consistently with the rapid decline of disease in the last century which is when cities made upgrades to waste removal (sewers). It makes sense because most of these diseases polio, small pox, tetanus (tet - anus; he he he), for example, are only transported through fecal matter. I believe these types of vaccines are not as important (necessary) as airborne ones.

Not true with small pox, whooping cough and many of the other commonly vaccinated diseases.

Smallpox

Transmission occurs through inhalation of airborne variola virus, usually droplets expressed from the oral, nasal, or pharyngeal mucosa of an infected person. It is transmitted from one person to another primarily through prolonged face-to-face contact with an infected person, usually within a distance of 6 feet (1.8 m), but can also be spread through direct contact with infected bodily fluids or contaminated objects (fomites) such as bedding or clothing.

[ernie]

Where we are yes no vaccinations = no school EXCEPT for recognized religious reasons.

Just get the kid vaccinated.

[JonDuke]

Thanks for all the replies, both pro and con vaccines. Again...I'm not here to make the debate on whether my decision is right or if you're wrong. I'm here simply to see if a school can legally deny access to a child who had not been immunized.

Also...I believe herd immunity is a theory. Not fact.

Thanks again for the responses!

[Canuck-Hater]

Parents should have the right to decide if they want their kids to be vaccinated. Period.