iPhone vs Android

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah and Apple had colour mp3 players long before Nokia had colour phones lol. It's kind of silly to say "we had colours first". All of today's smartphones borrow from the original iphone.

And they in turn borrow from BlackBerry

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

All of today's smartphones borrow from the original iphone.

Please do some research before you say something like this. It's just an ignorant claim, similar to pylon claiming iOS was the blueprint for Android,

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Please do some research before you say something like this. It's just an ignorant claim, similar to pylon claiming iOS was the blueprint for Android,

Android borrowed from iPhone? Duh!









And just for balance....



Only a fool could argue that the release of the iPhone didn't change the mobile phone industry. Since then, not so much.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Please do some research before you say something like this. It's just an ignorant claim, similar to pylon claiming iOS was the blueprint for Android,

Take a deep breath. Read post above and chill out.

[Bertuzzied]

I had the world's first mp3 phone. The samsung uproar in 2001! so yeah the iphone copied it....hehe a 64mb mp3 phone.....

The battery on that phone was awesome. 3 years later and it was still holding the same charge. too bad i dropped it so many times at the end i would have to scotch tape the back every week.

[edslunch]

The reality is all these products inspire each other - that's what competition does. The original iPhone was inarguably the biggest leap forward in this whole evolutionary cycle, but it was not 100% new either. Some of those Samsung phones look like more than just inspired by iPhone though.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The reality is all these products inspire each other - that's what competition does. The original iPhone was inarguably the biggest leap forward in this whole evolutionary cycle, but it was not 100% new either. Some of those Samsung phones look like more than just inspired by iPhone though.

Yes, exactly. That was my point.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yes, exactly. That was my point.

LOL no it wasn't. I clearly said current makers borrowed from the original iphone which was correct and you got overly emotional as you do from time to time and now come back and say your point was that the iphone wasn't 100% new which was never claimed by anyone. It's okay to admit you lost your cool.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL no it wasn't. I clearly said current makers borrowed from the original iphone which was correct and you got overly emotional as you do from time to time and now come back and say your point was that the iphone wasn't 100% new which was never claimed by anyone.

Not emotional, at all. The term ignorant isn't a bad word, if that's what made you think I was being emotional. Today's smartphones borrow from the iPhone, which borrowed from something before it. The touchscreen etc wasn't the first phone of it's kind to market.

But Apple is (was?) great at getting to market the polish and spin that made people want their products. No one wanted a phone of that type before that, after Apple but their brilliant polish on it, they did. Similar to the iPad etc.

Apple then set that new bar, a new bar that other companies tried to follow, then catch up, then pass.

Now Apple is the one doing the following and with their latest release it's still all they're doing unfortunately. They've become the Blackberry that their most loyal followers used to mock and torment, they aren't leading the pack anymore.

I hope that wasn't too emotional for you.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah and Apple had colour mp3 players long before Nokia had colour phones lol. It's kind of silly to say "we had colours first". All of today's smartphones borrow from the original iphone.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Please do some research before you say something like this. It's just an ignorant claim, similar to pylon claiming iOS was the blueprint for Android,

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Not emotional, at all. The term ignorant isn't a bad word, if that's what made you think I was being emotional. Today's smartphones borrow from the iPhone, which borrowed from something before it. The touchscreen etc wasn't the first phone of it's kind to market.

I see so it's only ignorant when I say it. Apple borrowed from phones before it? Say it isn't so as everyone after it has borrowed from the original Bell phone. That's not the point. Apple was first with the buttonless phone design to which everyone now uses.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The iPhone isn't button less.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The iPhone isn't button less.

Now your starting to sound like my wife when she loses an argument.

[Sliver]

EE gotcha pretty good there MMF.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Now your starting to sound like my wife when she loses an argument.

Stop being so emotional.

Not really Sliver. If you only focus on the part he bolded, then sure. My point was that it goes back further then the iPhone, which Apple borrowed from for their design. It wasn't some original design in the first place.

I'm wrong lots though, no big deal

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Not emotional, at all. The term ignorant isn't a bad word, if that's what made you think I was being emotional. Today's smartphones borrow from the iPhone, which borrowed from something before it. The touchscreen etc wasn't the first phone of it's kind to market.

But Apple is (was?) great at getting to market the polish and spin that made people want their products. No one wanted a phone of that type before that, after Apple but their brilliant polish on it, they did. Similar to the iPad etc.

Apple then set that new bar, a new bar that other companies tried to follow, then catch up, then pass.

Now Apple is the one doing the following and with their latest release it's still all they're doing unfortunately. They've become the Blackberry that their most loyal followers used to mock and torment, they aren't leading the pack anymore.

I hope that wasn't too emotional for you.

Man you really have let your bias take over now. To compare Apple now to Blackberry then is misjudgment at the very least, and asinine in reality.

Apple does things that Blackberry never dreamed of doing including:

- fantastic design - however you might knock them, they have design down pat

- impressive supply chain management - they use their volume clout better than anyone else, mostly because they control the manufacturing. Its not just a "cool" tech company, it has spent time and effort in this important area

- aggressive IP protection - yes stifling to innovation it might be, but no question its good business

- clear product differentiation and launch cycle - it might not radical steps anymore but new features are being added every time, OS is being refreshed, and they are looking to the future (64 bit processor)

Are they being left behind on the software and hardware? Maybe a little, but what was Blackberry's demise was the market busting iPhone revolution. Until that happens again Apple is content making high margin, high quality products that many (not all) are willing to pay for.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Not emotional, at all. The term ignorant isn't a bad word, if that's what made you think I was being emotional. Today's smartphones borrow from the iPhone, which borrowed from something before it. The touchscreen etc wasn't the first phone of it's kind to market.

But Apple is (was?) great at getting to market the polish and spin that made people want their products. No one wanted a phone of that type before that, after Apple but their brilliant polish on it, they did. Similar to the iPad etc.

Apple then set that new bar, a new bar that other companies tried to follow, then catch up, then pass.

Now Apple is the one doing the following and with their latest release it's still all they're doing unfortunately. They've become the Blackberry that their most loyal followers used to mock and torment, they aren't leading the pack anymore.

I hope that wasn't too emotional for you.

I think your biases are showing a tad here. You make it sound like iPhone was just a tweak and a whole lot of marketing spin. Not sure where you were in 2007 but the iPhone was a freaking big deal. As you say it set the bar higher, actually much much higher, and others in time passed it.

You might be right that it is no longer the top phone, but they continue to set the bar in some areas, for example I would argue their hardware engineering is second to none (screen size notwithstanding), and they've just set a new bar for biometric security (have you seen the reviews?).

Are they catching up more than innovating? Probably. But seriously, Blackberry? Blackberry stayed on the old button paradigm 5 years too long, catering to their loyal users who love buttons (like my wife), but were completely unable to compete with buttonless smart phones and lacked the apps, etc. Tell me Apple is this far behind? Really?

As far as polish and spin goes, have you read the reviews on the 5S and 5C? - it's all about polish, Apple does hardware polish like nobody else and that's why people continue to treat it as a premium brand. Blackberry??

iOS7 is not so polished and they still have work to do but it's a start.

Look I get your argument that Apple is behind and playing catch up and all that but you make it sound like they're stuck in the 2000's and on the verge of collapse because they missed some big wave that Android caught or created. I don't see that.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Sorry I should be comparing iOS to Blackberry, not Apple has a whole. And I mean that comparisons by how they've rested on their laurels and just churn out what is essentially the same product each year without much real change or excitement.

In terms of designs... man I loved (not anymore obviously) Blackberry designs. Nothing is nicer then a beautiful Blackberry Bold. I think Blackberry (in their prime) destroyed anything anyone else has done.

[PsYcNeT]

ITT: Serious phonechat.

For reals tho, call me when Apple doesn't have some bull#### lockdown ecosystem that is barely compatible with anything else.

[Muffins]

http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+CEO+T...ticle33408.htm

But Cook brushes this off, saying that customers tend to buy Android devices and dump them in a drawer while an iPhone is the smartphone they truly use.

“Does a unit of market share matter if it’s not being used? For us, it matters that people use our products. We really want to enrich people’s lives, and you can’t enrich somebody’s life if the product is in the drawer.”

And here I am using my Android phone when i'm supposed to be putting it in a drawer.

[Bertuzzied]

Why is this thread still active? It's been over for a while now now. Apple won the first 4-5 battles but Android won the war. With iOs down to 16% market share and falling every year, it's not even a contest anymore.