Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[Dion]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Do you know why the "lack of transparency and secrecy" surrounding the payment makes you people so mad? It just seems like something people have latched on to because they know ultimately they are wrong in their opposition to the actual lawsuit itself.

Mad???

I'm so cool that when I go to sleep at night, sheep count me.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Dion

The deal had already been made with the monies transferred to Khadr before the info of this deal and the apology was leaked to the public. In fact Trump was made aware of this before Canadians.

Generally people don't comment on ongoing legal proceedings, the government is no different.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

The deal had already been made with the monies transferred to Khadr before the info of this deal and the apology was leaked to the public. In fact Trump was made aware of this before Canadians.

It doesn't change the fact that the apology was to be public and the public would have been made aware that there was a settlement. It wasn't a secret that he was suing the government. Sorry Dion but the complaints about how the deal was leaked just comes off a partisan politics, most people can objectively look at the situation and understand the circumstances, even those who are opposed to the actual settlement itself.

[Northendzone]

doesn't the payment of the money end the ongoing proceedings?

I did not like how this was leaked out either - trudeau was conveniently out of the country

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

doesn't the payment of the money end the ongoing proceedings?

I did not like how this was leaked out either - trudeau was conveniently out of the country

I don't know the exact timeline. However, the settlement would have been done between the government's legal council and Khadr's. The government's lawyers likely had a range that they were approved to offer, and once it's accepted it's not like they can say "wait, backsies until the Prime Minister is back in the country." They're professionals and just want to close the case as timely as possible.

Is it possible that the government was then waiting until Trudeau was back in the country to make the announcement?

I also heard that they were waiting until after the Canada 150 festivities were over.

So I don't really know, nor do I have a full thought out theory/opinion on the timing of the situation.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

We get it Dion, you don't like Trudeau

You know the article sucks if Snufflugagus thanks it.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

Mad???

I'm so cool that when I go to sleep at night, sheep count me.

Really? With Trudeau, Notley and Nenshi still in charge, maybe after a cocktail of sleeping pills and drugs.

[Ducay]

Oh look, this terrible settlement is making the rounds on international news media yet again. WSJ with a piece, Fox has it as its headline.

Once again, we're a joke. Ask me how much military widows in Canada whose spouses gave the ultimate sacrifice in the name of this country are given, versus how much Khadr was paid for so much less suffering.

Its an absolute atrocity. Had we killed him, the Khadr family would have received approximately 0 dollars and 0 cents.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Oh look, this terrible settlement is making the rounds on international news media yet again. WSJ with a piece, Fox has it as its headline.

Once again, we're a joke. Ask me how much military widows in Canada whose spouses gave the ultimate sacrifice in the name of this country are given, versus how much Khadr was paid for so much less suffering.

Its an absolute atrocity. Had we killed him, the Khadr family would have received approximately 0 dollars and 0 cents.

Geez, we are torturing and imprisoning widows now? This is terrible.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Oh look, this terrible settlement is making the rounds on international news media yet again. WSJ with a piece, Fox has it as its headline.

Once again, we're a joke.

I don't know why Canada wastes a bunch of money on a Department of Justice when it could just retain Fox News for all of its legal representation needs. Anyone have any ideas? Ducay?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Oh look, this terrible settlement is making the rounds on international news media yet again. WSJ with a piece, Fox has it as its headline.

Once again, we're a joke. Ask me how much military widows in Canada whose spouses gave the ultimate sacrifice in the name of this country are given, versus how much Khadr was paid for so much less suffering.

Its an absolute atrocity. Had we killed him, the Khadr family would have received approximately 0 dollars and 0 cents.

I'm not a lawyer but, considering the US saved his life to take him into custody, I'm not so sure your assessment that the Canadian government killing him after that wouldn't have gotten his family anything, if not more than what he ended up with.

Edit: because you said to ask, how much does the government actually give the widows and families of fallen Canadian military personnel? I'm genuinely asking, but no matter how much it is I'm sure it could be argued that they deserve more, just like it could be argued that the government shouldn't violate people's charter rights without penalty.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Oh look, this terrible settlement is making the rounds on international news media yet again. WSJ with a piece, Fox has it as its headline.

Once again, we're a joke. Ask me how much military widows in Canada whose spouses gave the ultimate sacrifice in the name of this country are given, versus how much Khadr was paid for so much less suffering.

Its an absolute atrocity. Had we killed him, the Khadr family would have received approximately 0 dollars and 0 cents.

What website do i have to join to petition for a tax increase to facilitate 10 million dollar reimbursements to war widows?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I'm not a lawyer but, considering the US saved his life to take him into custody, I'm not so sure your assessment that the Canadian government killing him after that wouldn't have gotten his family anything, if not more than what he ended up with.

Edit: because you said to ask, how much does the government actually give the widows and families of fallen Canadian military personnel? I'm genuinely asking, but no matter how much it is I'm sure it could be argued that they deserve more, just like it could be argued that the government shouldn't violate people's charter rights without penalty.

I'm not a hundred percent on this but I read it was in the neighbourhood of $360,000 max depending on the severity of the injury. If that is in fact true, this settlement with a borderline terrorist for over 10 million dollars looks that much worse in comparison. But I'm sure he suffered more then our wounded service men do, so he deserved every penny of the payout.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It doesn't change the fact that the apology was to be public and the public would have been made aware that there was a settlement. It wasn't a secret that he was suing the government. Sorry Dion but the complaints about how the deal was leaked just comes off a partisan politics, most people can objectively look at the situation and understand the circumstances, even those who are opposed to the actual settlement itself.

So it doesn't strike you odd that the press finds out on or around the 3rd of July and the Liberals don't have a press conference until the 7th of July. That's 4 days where everybody is left to speculate with their un answered questions.

You also had Trudeau dodging questions on the 4th about the settlement.

It's not partisan politics when you have a gap between when the news came out and the official press conference.

Maybe i'm waisting my time talking to you

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Geez, we are torturing and imprisoning widows now? This is terrible.

Originally Posted by Makarov

I don't know why Canada wastes a bunch of money on a Department of Justice when it could just retain Fox News for all of its legal representation needs. Anyone have any ideas? Ducay?

Someone call up the zinger department! Got a couple of HOT ONES here boys.

Clearly the opinion of mine and the majority of Canadians is not supported legally, otherwise this settlement wouldn't have been reached after making its way through the SCOC, but it is a common sense judgement. This settlement will have impacts on public opinion and into the next election, the settlement figure is a travesty, despite perhaps being the correct judicial answer.

Like I said, how is torture (not downplaying) of a terrorist worth exponentially more than the deaths of countless veterens? Should be the other way around $ wise.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Oh look, this terrible settlement is making the rounds on international news media yet again. WSJ with a piece, Fox has it as its headline.

Once again, we're a joke. Ask me how much military widows in Canada whose spouses gave the ultimate sacrifice in the name of this country are given, versus how much Khadr was paid for so much less suffering.

Its an absolute atrocity. Had we killed him, the Khadr family would have received approximately 0 dollars and 0 cents.

How embarrassing for Canada to have the spotlight of embarrassment shone on it by the wonderful, unbiased Fox news with such quotes as "Terrorist hits jackpot for having his feelings hurt".

I would sarcastically tell them they really hit the nuance nicely, but I don't think anyone that works there knows the word.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

I'm not a hundred percent on this but I read it was in the neighbourhood of $360,000 max depending on the severity of the injury. If that is in fact true, this settlement with a borderline terrorist for over 10 million dollars looks that much worse in comparison. But I'm sure he suffered more then our wounded service men do, so he deserved every penny of the payout.

The problem with this comparison is that in one case, the injury is caused by the wrongdoing (either negligent or intentional), whereas the other is not (there is no wrongdoing on the part of the government). Therefore, an award of damages in Khadr's case is intended to fully compensate him for all of the injuries suffered (and indeed, could potentially even attract punitive damages). In the case of compensation for a war widow,the purpose of any payment is not to attempt to compensate him or her for the death of a partner. It's simply a contractual payment (like life insurance benefits). They're two completely different things.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Someone call up the zinger department! Got a couple of HOT ONES here boys.

Clearly the opinion of mine and the majority of Canadians is not supported legally, otherwise this settlement wouldn't have been reached after making its way through the SCOC, but it is a common sense judgement. This settlement will have impacts on public opinion and into the next election, the settlement figure is a travesty, despite perhaps being the correct judicial answer.

Like I said, how is torture (not downplaying) of a terrorist worth exponentially more than the deaths of countless veterens? Should be the other way around $ wise.

Really? I'll give you one hint word, and you can think this one through. Voluntary.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Someone call up the zinger department! Got a couple of HOT ONES here boys.

Clearly the opinion of mine and the majority of Canadians is not supported legally, otherwise this settlement wouldn't have been reached after making its way through the SCOC, but it is a common sense judgement. This settlement will have impacts on public opinion and into the next election, the settlement figure is a travesty, despite perhaps being the correct judicial answer.

Like I said, how is torture (not downplaying) of a terrorist worth exponentially more than the deaths of countless veterens? Should be the other way around $ wise.

I for one am glad that my rights as a Canadian citizen are governed and protected by our legal system and not the average Canadian's "common sense".

It's both sad and somewhat alarming at just how little value many people seem to place on one of the most important things Canadians have, namely our legally enshrined charter rights. All that gets thrown out the window to satisfy peoples' moral outrage. I don't like seeing the Khadr family get money either, but money is nothing in the face of having the government be able to legally abrogate its responsibilities to its citizens.

[Wormius]

Something that I have been trying to reconcile in my mind is how would a WW2 era resistance fighter be categorized now? Would it be reasonable for families of any German soldiers killed to have sued for compensation?