Omar F*****G Khadr is getting $10.5 milion

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

The Taliban were never a true government in Afghanistan, they were murderous freaks who took the country in an illegal military coup. the minute they refused to hand over bin laden they showed the entire world they were nothing but thugs and idiots, the UN agreed that Hamid Karzai should head up a transitional government as soon as the Taliban were driven out and he as president invited the world to help clean out the perverted mess called the Taliban and Al-Qaeda

And no, after 9-11 Bush didn't need an invitation


Wrong, actions breed hate and Islam is full of the wrong actions lately

So wait, were the Americans invited or weren't they? You said they were "invited" (a clear distinction between them and the Taliban, you pointed out) but failed to identify by who and when. Are you now saying that not only was the U.S. not invited, but that they didn't even need an invite? Or that they were invited to stay after violently overthrowing the government and backing the alternative?

If your version of events is correct, that Karzai invited the world to clean out the Taliban and al-Qaeda once he became president, that would've happened in 2004, 2 years after the Khadr incident. If you're talking about when the UN decided he was interim president, that was weeks before the Khadr incident, and I don't believe there was any invite to 59 countries within that time. Do you have a source?

In the end, it's not like the Taliban overthrew a government without the support of the Afghan people. Many hated the prior regime and supported the Taliban (including Karzai himself, until roughly 1997). Many also hated Karzai, who was incredibly corrupt and another in a long line of mistakes he U.S. has made in the region (in the time during and since his presidency, he has again become more endearing of the Taliban while demonising the U.S.).

Are we really saying there is any moral high ground in an unelected, corrupt, and recent supporter of the Taliban inviting the military that put him in power to stick around and kill his enemies? Really?

Actions and ignorance are not mutually exclusive events. Both can exist in the formation of hate. The point is, whether you blame your ignorance for it or the actions of others, hate is a beneficial emotion roughly 0% of the time, and is at the root of problems, not of solutions. There is simply no excuse for it.

The situation in the Middle East is just so complex that there really is no such thing as an educated view that lacks nuance and correct details. It's not simply good vs. evil, or the terrorists vs. everyone else.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Not defending it, just pointing it out again, many governments have taken power through military coups.

If not handing over bin laden is what made the Taliban thugs and idiots did it do the same for the democratically elected Pakistani government that did the same thing? Should someone be getting invited to oust them as well?

Funny you say that, I believe had it not been for the Pakistani government the Taliban would have never succeeded in their coup. It's a joke to suggest anything is democratic in Pakistan, especially elections.

Pakistan is another example of whats wrong on this planet

[Dion]

Trudeau’s Khadr remarks don’t stand up to scrutiny

In fact, Khadr’s original civil suit primarily requested that he be repatriated to Canada to serve out the remainder of his sentence – a repatriation that happened in 2013 while Harper was Prime Minister. If anything, getting Khadr out of Guantanamo Bay and allowing him in Canada more than made up for any rights violations that may have occurred.

Keep in mind, despite what you may read in the biased media, it was never found that Khadr was tortured in Guantanamo. Khadr’s claims of torture were specifically disproven in court.

For instance, Khadr alleged in a signed affidavit that he was abused during a weigh-in at Guantanamo. But, as Judge Parrish noted in his ruling, “the videotape of the accused being weighed… clearly shows [Khadr] was not abused or mistreated in any way by any of the guards.”

Khadr was subject to the so-called “frequent flyer program” – where inmates were moved every three hours to disrupt a good night sleep. But even former Liberal Party Leader and human rights scholar Michael Ignatieff defended such a practice as “permissible” and not torture.

That’s the thing about Omar Khadr’s case. It’s so complicated, so unusual, that there is no recent legal precedent for dealing it. And that’s why Trudeau’s remarks just don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Where did Trudeau get this estimate? Again, there is no historic standard in Canada for anything close to those numbers.

Khadr’s original lawsuit against Canada asked for $100,000. It was only after he gained media sympathy and attracted lawyers willing to represent him for free that his claim increased to $20 million.

And like Khadr’s disproven torture claims, it’s possible his case against the Canadian government, too, would have unraveled in court.

The decision to settle and give Khadr $10.5 million was not, as Trudeau now admits, a legal decision. It was a political decision made by Trudeau and his advisors.

There is still more to this story, and Canadians deserve to know the truth about why Khadr was given so much of our money.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/14...up-to-scrutiny

[Fuzz]

^

Hrmm lets' browse the headlines of her recent articles...

http://www.torontosun.com/author/candice-malcolm

Huh. Ya, no bias there..
EDIT:

Yah....

https://twitter.com/CandiceMalcolm/status/885586839263956994

EDIT2:
Oh good, she is a Rebel contributor too.

[Makarov]

^ The first paragraph of that article is hopelessly incorrect (I've previously explained the difference between Khadr's application for judicial review and his subsequent Statement of Claim alleging Charter torts.)

[Fuzz]

I do love the complete lack of self awareness in this line though...

Keep in mind, despite what you may read in the biased media,

Well done Fox News North, well done.

[iggy_oi]

We get it Dion, you don't like Trudeau

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Dion

Trudeau’s Khadr remarks don’t stand up to scrutiny

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/14...up-to-scrutiny

Ummmm... the Supreme Court of Canada found that he was tortured. Canada (Prime Minister) v Khadr, 2010 SCC 3

[48] The appeal is allowed in part. Mr. Khadr’s application for judicial review is allowed in part. This Court declares that through the conduct of Canadian officials in the course of interrogations in 2003-2004, as established on the evidence before us, Canada actively participated in a process contrary to Canada’s international human rights obligations and contributed to Mr. Khadr’s ongoing detention so as to deprive him of his right to liberty and security of the person guaranteed by s. 7 of the Charter , contrary to the principles of fundamental justice.

https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/sc.../7842/index.do

[Makarov]

Khadr’s original lawsuit against Canada asked for $100,000. It was only after he gained media sympathy and attracted lawyers willing to represent him for free that his claim increased to $20 million

I'm not sure what this could even be referring to? What original lawsuit? One can't sue twice over the same issues. That's not how it works.

If it is referring to the original application for judicial review, then the $100,000 was simply costs. And if that is the case, that is absolutely terrible and misleading reporting. The cute bit about "gaining media sympathy and attracting lawyers to represent him for free" would then also appear to be the completely invented.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Funny you say that, I believe had it not been for the Pakistani government the Taliban would have never succeeded in their coup. It's a joke to suggest anything is democratic in Pakistan, especially elections.

Pakistan is another example of whats wrong on this planet

It's just the whole "they weren't really the government" argument. Recognized or not, they were the group in control of that country for several years and your assumption that the world decided they were just thugs and idiots when they decided to not hand over bin laden doesn't really make sense given the fact that they had already been denying them official recognition up to that point anyways. If the world gave the go ahead to oust them from power because they chose to harbour bin laden why wouldn't they do the same to a recognized government that did the same?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Huh. Ya, no bias there..

And none here either

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

And none here either

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

And none here either

Uh? The difference being nobody is publishing my remarks to a national audience? But awesome eye roll. Top notch.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

We get it Dion, you don't like Trudeau

I get that you support the lack of transperancy and secrecy surrounding the Khadr payment.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

I get that you support the lack of transperancy and secrecy surrounding the Khadr payment.

He received $10.5M and an apology as his settlement. It's not a secret and unless you can explain how it would have been kept a secret after the public apology which was part of the deal I'm not sure how your claim can be substantiated

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Dion

I get that you support the lack of transperancy and secrecy surrounding the Khadr payment.

Do you know why the "lack of transparency and secrecy" surrounding the payment makes you people so mad? It just seems like something people have latched on to because they know ultimately they are wrong in their opposition to the actual lawsuit itself.

[Fuzz]

I was listening to Roy Green on 770 bloviate on and on about this. I can see how people who listen to that show end up adopting his viewpoints without questioning the validity of them. He eggs everyone on, gets them to call in, then celebrates their ignorance when they agree with him. He also likes to use trashy names for our PM, but hey, quality media. I guess it gets listeners.

[EldrickOnIce]

I choose to believe he is a victim. The he didn't know the bombs he was building were being used to blow the little hands and little feet off little children. That he never once had a choice nor a chance.
This way I don't need to be angry.
Sound like a fairy tale? Probably. Nobody knows.
The only thing we know for certain is that his rights, as a Canadian citizen, were not protected.

[Hockeyguy15]

This thread is still going huh? Haven't the horses suffered enough already?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

He received $10.5M and an apology as his settlement. It's not a secret and unless you can explain how it would have been kept a secret after the public apology which was part of the deal I'm not sure how your claim can be substantiated

The deal had already been made with the monies transferred to Khadr before the info of this deal and the apology was leaked to the public. In fact Trump was made aware of this before Canadians.