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Old 06-30-2016, 12:23 PM   #641
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You are right regarding the energy sector. It is the last thing maintaining a decent middle-class in this country. That is slowly being subsumed by bad politics, and the real estate sector. I really fear that our future will come a bit more abruptly then we would like to imagine.
I do wonder if the urban elites in Toronto and Vancouver cheerfully proclaiming the decline of the energy industry understand how important resources are to maintaining a strong working/middle class in this country. A strong resources sector has been our main bulwark against the deep socio-economic divisions that have become evident in the UK and U.S.

But like their counterparts in London and San Francisco, I get the impression these folks think everyone can and should just become a software developer, open a bistro, or work for the government in urban planning.
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It's certainly an interesting question. People the US and even in the UK are significantly less educated than Canadians on average. I think this is reflected in respective media landscapes.


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I don't know about that. Canada has far more non-whites and people who speak english as a second language than the UK, and we're about on par with the U.S. We really are better at integration, but again that mostly comes down to choosing the right immigrants.
I don't think non-aboriginal Canadians understand what it is like to have a blood connection to the land and history of a nation. It's such a young country and very little "Canadian" blood was spilled to establish and maintain the homeland. Europe (and most of the rest of the world) is different in that respect. Over the past 1200 years or so (when most of the last European nomads settled where they are now), it has been a constant battle to maintain homelands as Europe was an extremely violent continent.

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I do wonder if the urban elites in Toronto and Vancouver cheerfully proclaiming the decline of the energy industry understand how important resources are to maintaining a strong working/middle class in this country. A strong resources sector has been our main bulwark against the deep socio-economic divisions that have become evident in the UK and U.S.

But like their counterparts in London and San Francisco, I get the impression these folks think everyone can and should just become a software developer, open a bistro, or work for the government in urban planning.
I don't think really exists outside of the heads of some people in Western Canada and maybe a few extremists in the East. Trust me, no one is happy that the energy industry declined. Sure, there are a lot of people who want to focus more on alternative energy, but that's not the same as wanting the industry to decline.
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Old 06-30-2016, 03:37 PM   #644
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I don't think non-aboriginal Canadians understand what it is like to have a blood connection to the land and history of a nation. It's such a young country and very little "Canadian" blood was spilled to establish and maintain the homeland. Europe (and most of the rest of the world) is different in that respect. Over the past 1200 years or so (when most of the last European nomads settled where they are now), it has been a constant battle to maintain homelands as Europe was an extremely violent continent.
The agricultural community in Alberta would disagree with you.
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CNN is just as dishonest in that they simply omit covering some news.

For instance, the incident in Afghanistan where an American fighter jet bombed and killed some Canadian forces on the ground.

Yes, when it came doown to the trial of the American pilots, CNN provided coverage, but the original incident was basically omitted.

I was talking about this with some American friends and they basically told me they did not think the incident happened and would check for themselves. They did confirm with me after, that yes, they had found info about the initial bombing, that it did happen, but had basically received no coverage.
Not really even a close comparison between CNN and Fox News.

Fox News--60% of statements at least "mostly false."
CNN--80% of statements at least "half true."

Fox News is hugely responsible for the vitriol in this country. There's a reason why partisan politics got so much more angry in the years since Fox News came into existence. They literally make things up to support their positions.

CNN is far from perfect, by a country mile, but they're much more reliable than Fox News, and it's not really close.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...news-channels/
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Old 06-30-2016, 07:46 PM   #646
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The UK is interesting in that they have a remarkably competitive newspaper field, but that competition hasn't elevated the tone of dialog. Quite the reverse. It just means that every paper needs to identify its tribe and feed that tribe whatever makes it happy. So even a paper with high ideals, like the Guardian, needs to feed its readers ideological tripe to keep the tribe loyal.
That might be so but I'd still take any of the UK broadsheets over the Globe and Mail.
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Boris Johnson is out for the PM race. This hasn't gone as he had expected.
Love British politics, according to those close to Johnson his running mate Gove shafted him.

“Gove is a c*** who set this up from the start,” one friend of Johnson texted a political journalist at the Sun. More publicly, Jake Berry, Conservative MP and one of Johnson’s closest allies, tweeted: “There is a very deep pit reserved in Hell for such as he. #Gove.”
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Some people think 'The Thicke of it was a comedy when clearly it was nothing more than a documentary about British politics'

Warning, not remotely suitable for work, frankly you should lock yourself in the toilet alone to watch.

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Amazing play by Cameron. Johnson's political career is all but over.
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Amazing play by Cameron. Johnson's political career is all but over.
He's completely done, you can recover from getting caught shagging poodles but bottling it at the crucial hour, that's terminal.
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Amazing play by Cameron. Johnson's political career is all but over.
And look at the reaction to his speech . . . starting with smiles and just soul crushing wtf in the span of a few seconds (expand to fullscreen). Guy on the far left, lady in the front . . .

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/748535689055072257
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We speak the same language as that dude?
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That might be so but I'd still take any of the UK broadsheets over the Globe and Mail.
It's a fair cop. The G&M has resorted to trolling its own readers (55+ males who earn over $100K) with a slew of earnest, young identity-politics columnists just for the LOLs and page hits.
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Wait a second.

You mean we're not all locked in toilets?
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I do wonder if the urban elites in Toronto and Vancouver cheerfully proclaiming the decline of the energy industry understand how important resources are to maintaining a strong working/middle class in this country. A strong resources sector has been our main bulwark against the deep socio-economic divisions that have become evident in the UK and U.S.

But like their counterparts in London and San Francisco, I get the impression these folks think everyone can and should just become a software developer, open a bistro, or work for the government in urban planning.
Such a true and fantastic post I had to share it on Facebook. My thoughts 100% exactly. I'm glad I poked my nose into this thread
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Amazing play by Cameron. Johnson's political career is all but over.
I wouldn't give Cameron full credit for it. More a case of one sneaky self serving individual stabbing another sneaky self serving individual in the back.
Gove appears to have played Johnson.

The ####oo nest plot in full. ####oo nest in that Johnson was used to nurture and hatch the Brexit egg then pushed unceremoniously out of the nest.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...uckoo-nest-pl/
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yeah the masses just arent happy with government and in the UK, they took their anger out on the EU and somewhat on Cameron too.

In the US the entire republican party lost to a buffoon. Sanders the left wing nut nearly took the democratic nomination.

Hilary will beat Trump but it's not much of a choice. The Democratic party needs to reform and the Republican party needs to die. Or else the decent working person continues to be stuck in the middle of the struggle.
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Haha, only in America could a straight forward, progressive politician like Bernie sanders be known as a left wing nut. Put him in any normal social democratic nation and he'd just be a standard candidate, lol.
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Haha, only in America could a straight forward, progressive politician like Bernie sanders be known as a left wing nut. Put him in any normal social democratic nation and he'd just be a standard candidate, lol.

He wants to double the minimum wage from $7.50 to $15! Double!
Here in Alberta the NDP want to raise it from 10.50 to 15 over a 3 year period and we think they're commies.
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