[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by kermitology

New Era has alluded to this but you can’t help but wonder if the reason some of the GOP are fighting this so hard and especially going after mail in ballots might be because the Republicans has probably spent years trying to rig the election with voting machines, where the voting record can be manipulated and there’s no actual evidence of the original vote intention, versus mail in ballots which haves paper trail. Why else fight so hard against them? They had their thumb on the scales but they couldn’t cheat with the paper trail of those physical ballots.

I'm not an expert on elections, so I don't claim to know this for sure, but I believe every state requires a physical record for purposes of recounts etc. I could be wrong though.

In both places I've voted, California and Florida, there was a paper ballot filled out and then put into an electronic scanning machine.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Sadly Cali, this is not the fact. Some states do not have a complete physical record and have some systems which use electronic data collected by machines without a physical paper trail.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_metho...pment_by_state

To kermitology's point, those states without the paper trail include Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, New Jersey, Tennessee, and Texas, all red states but one. New Jersey is trying to correct issues with the voting machines and go to a paper audit trail.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Serves me right for assuming people would do things in an intelligent way.

[sureLoss]

Looks like Trump is putting pressure where he can to try and stop counties from certifying election results

https://www.cleveland.com/nation/202...joe-biden.html

In Michigan, two Republican election officials in the state’s largest county initially refused to certify results despite no evidence of fraud, then backtracked and voted to certify and then on Wednesday flipped again and said they “remain opposed to certification.” Some Republicans have called on the GOP statewide canvassers to so the same. In Arizona, officials are balking at signing off on vote tallies in a rural county.

In Wayne County, the two Republican canvassers at first balked at certifying the vote, winning praise from Trump, and then reversed course after widespread condemnation. A person familiar with the matter said Trump reached out to the canvassers, Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, on Tuesday evening after the revised vote to express gratitude for their support. Then, on Wednesday, Palmer and Hartmann signed affidavits saying they believe the county vote “should not be certified.”

[direwolf]

Doesn't sound like those affidavits will have any impact, as the deadline to certify has passed. Also, and I'm no legal expert or anything, but they've both admitted that Trump called them personally to pressure them into trying to rescind their votes. Wouldn't that be considered illegal? Like election tampering or something along those lines?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...nn/3775242001/

"It means absolutely nothing," said Jonathan Kinloch, a Democratic member of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, who said the affidavits are a ploy to be used in an existing or future lawsuit.

Kinloch said the board even approved a second motion waiving reconsideration of the certification. "We had a definite deadline of 14 days to certify, and they knew that. This is now out of our purview," he said.

Palmer told the Free Press Tuesday Trump telephoned her Tuesday night, after the board meeting, though she did not say what the discussed. The Associated Press, citing anonymous sources, reported Thursday that Trump also reached out to Hartmann.

"There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote," Wimmer said Thursday. "Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify."

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329295826825441282

[troutman]

Disturbing new details in alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer

https://abc7chicago.com/michigan-gov...litia/8079861/

New filings claim there was a Plan B the militiamen had drawn up, that involved a takeover of the Michigan capitol building by 200 combatants who would stage a week-long series of televised executions of public officials.

And, according to government documents now on file in lower Michigan court, there was also a Plan C -- burning down the state house, leaving no survivors.

[flylock shox]

Those phone calls smack of the mafia-like approach Trump has been said by others to take in private interactions - the kind where he may not say directly what he wants, but he leaves no doubt what he wants. Maybe Ms. Palmer is just too naive to have understood what he was getting at, but her affidavit suggests she read between the lines just fine.



Trump continues to double down rather than abandon his assault on US democracy. That he's willing to make these sorts of calls himself now suggests a new level of desperation and/or frustration with the likes of Graham or Giuliani, whose efforts aren't getting the results he wants.

[krynski]

You know, every day I wake up thinking the world will make just a little more sense today.

Then at some point through my day, I enter this thread.

[sureLoss]

IMO it really isn't about US democracy anymore, it is about the Trump brand and his legacy.

Just like how he fought against the release of his tax returns to keep intact the veneer that he is a super smart successful businessman; all of this election stuff is just so he can keep the narrative that he is still the choice of the American people and that he couldn't possibly lose a legitimate election. Bringing up minor election procedures in court as proof of massive voter fraud and flip flopping county officials on election certification.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by troutman

Disturbing new details in alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer

https://abc7chicago.com/michigan-gov...litia/8079861/

This is consistent with the language being tossed around on Parler. There are a cadre of conservatives that want to start "cleansing" the country of Democrats, liberals, college professors, and anyone sympathetic to their cause. This is some of the scariest #### I've seen since moving to the states and really gives me pause about the decision. I can't believe people have got to the point of suggesting mass murder on a national level. The empire is crumbling.

[PsYcNeT]

Imagine hating being "controlled" and "silenced" on the mainstream social media platforms that have bent over backwards for a decade to (for the worse) cater to all voices, only to give your Driver's License info and Social Security # to the Mercer's so you can wallow in your Alt-Right safe space.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is consistent with the language being tossed around on Parler. There are a cadre of conservatives that want to start "cleansing" the country of Democrats, liberals, college professors, and anyone sympathetic to their cause. This is some of the scariest #### I've seen since moving to the states and really gives me pause about the decision. I can't believe people have got to the point of suggesting mass murder on a national level. The empire is crumbling.

That's some Pol Pot #### right there.

[Flashpoint]

Emily Murphy, the Trump stooge blocking Biden's transition team tweeted.

Appears to be a pocket Tweet

Which frankly is more fun anyway.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329228195720089601

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329236048803663874

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329472847362842624

[Fuzz]

I'm kind of astounded he hasn't given up yet. There is no path to victory for him. Move along, it's over.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is consistent with the language being tossed around on Parler. There are a cadre of conservatives that want to start "cleansing" the country of Democrats, liberals, college professors, and anyone sympathetic to their cause. This is some of the scariest #### I've seen since moving to the states and really gives me pause about the decision. I can't believe people have got to the point of suggesting mass murder on a national level. The empire is crumbling.

I am really hoping that enough “leaders” see this as the worrying sign it is, and try and find a solution to temper this hate. We have seen enough instances in the past where simmering hate can explode into real tragedy (e.g. Rwanda 1994)

[Lanny_McDonald]

If he can flip Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia, he has a path. If he can invalidate the vote he can make the whole shootin' match a debacle and nullify the entire result.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I've said it before, I will say it again: Break America up. Let the loons have the south back (of course with no nukes), let them have Jesusland or Trumpland or whatever else they want to call it, we'll all watch it become poorer than Mexico while the rest gets on to being a prosperous and forward thinking country. I don't think there's any salvaging America as is.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Also, even by Giuliani's standards this current presser is ####ed in the head.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329482404684238848

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Emily Murphy, the Trump stooge blocking Biden's transition team tweeted.

Appears to be a pocket Tweet

Which frankly is more fun anyway.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329228195720089601

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329236048803663874

What the hell does that tweet even mean and who the hell are the @'s???



Also yes I too have noticed more reports of a shift from own the libs to kill the libs. Facism is ,cleary, a hell of a drug.