[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Doctorfever]

I really don’t get the hate for Bennett here. He is not a really good regular season performer. Fine.

He takes some stupid penalties from time to time. He certainly isn’t the only guy who has ever done this.

I kinda admire the fact that he is able to “up his game” when it matters the most. In the playoffs.

Lots of guys play well in the regular season, then disappear in the playoffs. You don’t get to the playoffs without those type of players. You also don’t win in the playoffs without guys like Bennett who are able to elevate their game.

Is Bennett’s cap hit too high for what he brings? I say yes, but it’s not like he is being paid double than what is is worth. I wish he was being paid 1.75 or maybe 2.

He is not a top 6 guy, which is what everyone expected and hoped for when he was drafted 4th overall. But he is a full time NHL player. Regardless of his draft position.

I hope we keep him for this season (and playoffs... let’s get there first).

As I stated before, he is someone that we could expose to Seattle and hope they take him. We are losing an asset no matter what, it would be good to lose one that doesn’t cripple our current lineup.

[lazypucker]

I just found out that for the expansion draft each team has to exposed at least 2 forwards who are signed through next season 21-22. Unless there are extensions being made, the choices the Flames for contracted forwards to expose are probably Backlund and Lucic. Or Treliving will sign some unknown scrubs for league minimum to meet this requirement...

[Flames1217]

This is crazy...

So Bennett doesn't want out after all?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

This is crazy...

So Bennett doesn't want out after all?

This might be Bennett trying to not cause a problem in the dressing room after the media ran with it from his agent. He probably does want out but didn't want it to be a public thing.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I just found out that for the expansion draft each team has to exposed at least 2 forwards who are signed through next season 21-22. Unless there are extensions being made, the choices the Flames for contracted forwards to expose are probably Backlund and Lucic. Or Treliving will sign some unknown scrubs for league minimum to meet this requirement...

That's right, so I believe right now the only players that meet this requirement are

Tkachuk
Gaudreau
Monahan
Backlund
Lucic
Lindholm
Mangiapane

I believe there's also an NHL games played requirement so a guy like Froese or Kirkland doesn't count unless they play 27 NHL games this year.

But even if Lucic doesn't waive this is easily fixed by extending a guy like Ryan, Nordstrom or Leivo another year just before the expansion draft.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This might be Bennett trying to not cause a problem in the dressing room after the media ran with it from his agent. He probably does want out but didn't want it to be a public thing.

I think the most telling point is if his Agent is fired.

If he fires his agent this is complete garbage, however, if he keeps him I think we may have to question the legitimacy of this report.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't believe that's what is happening here. Francis is saying that the agent had not yet spoken to the team, but not contradicting that Bennett would like to move to a different team. And I believe Friedman reported essentially the same thing, that Bennett would like a change of scenery.

So seems to me the "story" is that the agent/player is asking for a trade first through the media instead of quietly going to the team.

That's my interpretation anyway. Not how the agent should have handled it, but whatever.

Yeah I was just kidding about the Francis vs Friedman. I don’t know what font to use for the ‘monster truck announcer’ voice

[transplant99]

So....

Bennett has indicated to his agent he would like to move on.

Ferris tells Friedman this is true when asked

Ferris doesn't relay this information to Treliving but instead lets the world know through the media making it harder for the Flames to actually deal him? (minimizing value)

Something doesn't add up.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm not exactly sure how the Flames braintrust could be blindsided by any news of the Bennett camp wanting a fresh start. I'm fairly sure that Bennett's agent has communicated more than once that a trade may not be a bad thing for his client as there have been whispers for years of this.

[lazypucker]

Originally Posted by btimbit

That's right, so I believe right now the only players that meet this requirement are

Tkachuk
Gaudreau
Monahan
Backlund
Lucic
Lindholm
Mangiapane

I believe there's also an NHL games played requirement so a guy like Froese or Kirkland doesn't count unless they play 27 NHL games this year.

But even if Lucic doesn't waive this is easily fixed by extending a guy like Ryan, Nordstrom or Leivo another year just before the expansion draft.

Dube will be extended and protected, leaving a choice between Lucic (assuming he waives his NMC) or Backlund to be exposed. If it is me at the helm, I will expose both of them and hope Seattle pick one of them.

Backlund, although playing well last season and OK this season thus far, will prove to be too expensive for what he offers in a year or 2...

Bennett? He is good as gone. He wants out, so he won't re-sign here. If he can't bring an OK return on trades, then leave him in the lineup this season and let him walk for free in the offseason. Or do the Treliving special by offering him an insultingly low offer, take it or leave it...

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Awesome. Francis vs Friedman

Who is the most trusted name
when it comes to your Calgary Flames?

Certainly not Francis - didn't he say he's retired? Every time he shoots off his mouth, he should retire!

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm honestly surprised they didn't sell high on him after the playoffs.

Sell high? What does that even look like? The jury is out on the guy around the league. No chance he can crack a second line on 90% of the teams in the league. It's fully laughable you still hear comments from his camp that he thinks he can be a top 6 player when he can't even execute a pass to a teammate or beat a goalie with a shot outside the crease.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Sam. Maybe if you at least played with half of the playoff jam you seem to have 2-3 games a month, you'd have a leg to stand on.

[I_H8_Crawford]

I know Bennett has to shoulder a lot of the blame, but I still wonder what could have been right before GG stepped in as HC.

Go back and read the posts - Bennett was excelling as a winger with Backlund & Frolik, everyone here was salivating saying "this will be our #1C, with Monahan as #2 - we are good to go!"

Then in comes GG, Bennett is relegated to 4th line, and is benched any time he makes a mistake. Completely destroyed the kid's confidence. Flames should NEVER hire a coach with the initials GG again as it appears they are the worst coaches in the history of the Flames.

Treliving really, really, really blew it with that hire.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Dube will be extended and protected, leaving a choice between Lucic (assuming he waives his NMC) or Backlund to be exposed. If it is me at the helm, I will expose both of them and hope Seattle pick one of them.

Backlund, although playing well last season and OK this season thus far, will prove to be too expensive for what he offers in a year or 2...

Bennett? He is good as gone. He wants out, so he won't re-sign here. If he can't bring an OK return on trades, then leave him in the lineup this season and let him walk for free in the offseason. Or do the Treliving special by offering him an insultingly low offer, take it or leave it...

If the Flames qualify him (they wont) he would have no choice.

I could see a scenario where BT talks to Francis and says the Flames will QO him IF Seattle agrees to select him. Of course that would require Bennett staying til seasons end...which is very much not a sure thing at this point.

I agree though...Backlund looks more and more like the odd guy out. Particularly because of his full NTC...it may be the BT's best chance to divest from the last 3 years of that deal.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I suspect the disconnect and nuance is in the wording and conversation between the reporters and their contacts.
Meaning it could have been something as simple as
Q: "Would Sam be open to and interested in a change of scenery"
A: "Yes he would"

Which then gets translated into Sam wanting or demanding a trade.
I view this much different than the Dubois situation. I think this is a player who would be happy to have what they perceive to be more opportunity elsewhere, but isn't demanding a trade in the least.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

To Ottawa: Bennett, Rittich, Kyllington
To Calgary: Brady Tkachuk

Also to Calgary: Powerplay QB Tom Brady, Sponsorship Procurement Specialist Giselle Bundchen and Head Coach Bill Belichick

That trade looks better every day!

[Johnny Makarov]

How does one change his hockey IQ of a pomegranate?

Simply by putting on a new jersey?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

I know Bennett has to shoulder a lot of the blame, but I still wonder what could have been right before GG stepped in as HC.

Go back and read the posts - Bennett was excelling as a winger with Backlund & Frolik, everyone here was salivating saying "this will be our #1C, with Monahan as #2 - we are good to go!"

Then in comes GG, Bennett is relegated to 4th line, and is benched any time he makes a mistake. Completely destroyed the kid's confidence. Flames should NEVER hire a coach with the initials GG again as it appears they are the worst coaches in the history of the Flames.

Treliving really, really, really blew it with that hire.

Funny this on Tre for hiring Gulutzan, who was so terrible he was able to fully ruin a lottery pick player, yet he somehow wasn't able to fully ruin the remainder of the Flames roster.

All of GG's ineptitude and career ruining skills simply spiraled only on the shoulder of Sam Bennett. That's a good one.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect the disconnect and nuance is in the wording and conversation between the reporters and their contacts.
Meaning it could have been something as simple as
Q: "Would Sam be open to and interested in a change of scenery"
A: "Yes he would"

Which then gets translated into Sam wanting or demanding a trade.
I view this much different than the Dubois situation. I think this is a player who would be happy to have what they perceive to be more opportunity elsewhere, but isn't demanding a trade in the least.

This. And it snowballed in the fans hands. Myself included.

[Enoch Root]

For the people arguing that the Flames have likely been trying to trade Bennett for a long time, that doesn't add up, IMO. The agent said he would be open to a change of scenery. That is not something someone says to the media, if he has already been on the block for 2 years.