Off Season Trade rumours thread - Brodie, Frolik, Stone etc. Only

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You look around at the brain thrust

That’s twice you have used this term in the last few days. The term you are looking for is brain trust.

[dino7c]

I felt like I have said this 100 times this summer but contracts are almost entirely based on regular season play

The highest paid player in the league has made it one time in four years. Skinner who just got a massive contract has never played a playoff game.

You can't base contracts on something half the players aren't even involved in.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I felt like I have said this 100 times this summer but contracts are almost entirely based on regular season play

The highest paid player in the league has made it one time in four years. Skinner who just got a massive contract has never played a playoff game.

You can't base contracts on something half the players aren't even involved in.

But playoff performance does have some influence

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Demetric

But playoff performance does have some influence

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Of course, but nothing close to what ricardodw imagines.


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[David Struch]

There'll be plenty of cap space once Frolík & Stone are off the roster.
(Worse case scenario, trade for a B prospect and a buyout)

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk (6.75) - Backlund - Bennett (2.5)
Mangiapane (1.0) - Dubé - Neal
Jankowski - Ryan - Czarnik

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Välimäki - Brodie
Kylington

Rittich (2.5)
Talbot

Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Buyout: $1,500,000
Bonuses: $747,500
Cap Hit: $75,491,708
Cap Space: $6,008,292

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Wait, what???

I'm on the rumble strips of the other side of the highway when I suggest that Sam Bennett is a player that doesn't move the needle and is a player the Flames can improve upon? Come on Bingo, I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.

You just admitted that Sam Bennett is an average #9 forward. That means he's one over-performance by a rookie from being relegated to the 4th line. Are we seriously going to go back-and-forth over a player of this level? Bennett is quickly heading to Chris Clark territory, who was also another #9 level forward for the Flame during his time with the team. His metrics suggest one thing, but the actual outcomes suggest another.

On his performance, it can't be bad luck. Not after four years in the show and experiencing the same output in three consecutive seasons. I appreciate the physical edge he brings to the game, but in the big picture he is a player that has to perform and produce more than he does. It also frames what he should be making for salary. Might explain why Treliving is willing to let this go to arbitration, or explore trade opportunities for Bennett. There comes a point where a player has to step up, and for Sam I think this time has come and gone. Sam is what he is. The big question is where does he fit on the team and at what cost? I don't see the potential to pay anything more than $2.5M, and based on contracts signed this summer, he's probably worth substantially less than that. So what do you think he's worth at the level of player you suggest?

Meant to say #8 to be honest he was a #7 most of the season.

Rumble strips are easy to find in your previous posts where you say he doesn't do anything well, gets massively out scored, blah blah blah.

He's a good third line player that brings intangibles. That says he has some value in a trade.

This isn't rocket science.

Glad you brought up Chris Clark. Remember when you had Cowan as the better third line forward on the team and Clark wasn't going to amount to anything? Cap's former captain says hi. Another player with third line production but intangibles that you underrated.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You look around at the brain thrust running the NHL - replay, reffing, suspension process, awful trades, the RFA / UFA process, signing washed up UFAs to large long term contracts, and you denigrate the usage and impact of fan forums?

If it is not going to arbitration then you don't think that the Flames management ( and the talking heads that manage fan opinion) and the players agents are not monitoring this forum and haven't picked up the overwhelming meme on the Flames team is too small and soft and Bennett being far more valuable on this team then he would be on a regular team that got to the second round of the playoffs?

First off a brain thrust sounds either painful or maybe even dirty. Don't do that.

And no ... every report of arb cases I've seen have been heavily based on statistics and comparables based on statistics. Not a bunch of intense hockey fans having it out in trade proposals.

[transplant99]

Here are the can's and cant's of what can be presented to an arbitrator.

What Evidence Can Be Presented

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases includes:

The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons
Injuries, illnesses, and the number of games played
The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL
The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure
The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal"
The performance and salary of any player believed to be comparable to the player in the dispute

Evidence that is not admissible includes:

The salary and performance of a comparable player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent
Testimonials, videos, and media reports
The financial state of the team
The salary cap and the state of the team's payroll

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Here are the can's and cant's of what can be presented to an arbitrator.

Well that’s interesting.... I wouldn’t have thought “public appeal” could be used.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Well that’s interesting.... I wouldn’t have thought “public appeal” could be used.

Would be more relevant for star players.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Well that’s interesting.... I wouldn’t have thought “public appeal” could be used.

Popularity.

Not a big factor i would guess, but one all the same.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Popularity.

Not a big factor i would guess, but one all the same.

If media reports and testimonials are inadmissible, then how would they document "public appeal"? Jersey sales?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If media reports and testimonials are inadmissible, then how would they document "public appeal"? Jersey sales?

No idea, but i'd imagine that would be a part of it.

Maybe charity work/community service. Stuff that is easily verifiable.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If media reports and testimonials are inadmissible, then how would they document "public appeal"? Jersey sales?

Fan forums.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You look around at the brain thrust

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames brain thrust has to thinking will Andersen / Hamonic or Valimaki playing his wrong side be better for Gio than Brodie?

Originally Posted by ricardodw

As to my story about the 2013 draft.... you really think that the Flames management brain thrust .

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Did the Flames brain thrust not have time to check out how the Panthers were playing since the last time the Flames beat them?

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames brain thrust obviously has BSD on a game count so that he he has the best chance to perform his best in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You look around at the brain thrust running the NHL

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames brain thrust has to thinking will Andersen / Hamonic or Valimaki playing his wrong side be better for Gio than Brodie?.

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

That’s twice you have used this term in the last few days. The term you are looking for is brain trust.

[AC]

That's incredible.

[dammage79]

Thrusting the Flames management to do the right thing. Thrust the brain thrust!

[btimbit]

Brain thrust sounds like something that would cause a concussion

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Brain thrust sounds like something that would cause a concussion

Or a severe (or minor) choking hazard! Heyyyoooo!

[bubbsy]

Ugh, these tangents are so much more annoying in the absence of any flames trades and/or rumors.

Make it stop...