Off Season Trade rumours thread - Brodie, Frolik, Stone etc. Only

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I believe Brown was being flipped to a third team to reduce Brodie’s cap.

So, Brodie and Janko for Kadri.



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The Leafs were prepared to give up both for Brodie and Janko but the Flames couldn’t afford to eat the Brodie cap on their own. With Puljujarvi needing to be rebuilt, Nuge having a worse contract than Kadri and Bennett having more value than Janko I think the deal is fairly balanced.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Leafs were prepared to give up both for Brodie and Janko but the Flames couldn’t afford to eat the Brodie cap on their own. With Puljujarvi needing to be rebuilt, Nuge having a worse contract than Kadri and Bennett having more value than Janko I think the deal is fairly balanced.

I wasn’t commenting on your suggested trade value.

I was just pointing out that the value of Brodie (at full cap hit) and Janko was Kadri alone. The Flames were not getting Brown.


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[stang]

Originally Posted by stang

I'd trade Draisaitl for Sam straight up.



Haha just messed up your guys cap situation!

Get Real buddy, there is no way that will work.

[dammage79]

Did stang forget to log into his "Flames fan" account before replying? Lol.

[btimbit]

You have to quote it dammage in case he edits the post

Originally Posted by stang

Get Real buddy, there is no way that will work.

lol. Wrong account?

[stang]

Nah just pulling a Ricardo, since I was kind of making fun of his "Arbitration based on CP opinions" idea

[Poe969]

Why, does ricardow have 2 accounts too?

[stang]

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...77#post7150377



post 168 I think

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by stang

Nah just pulling a Ricardo, since I was kind of making fun of his "Arbitration based on CP opinions" idea

Nice recovery!

[Heavy Jack]

If we did trade for a Nuge/Puljujarvi package I’d want it to be close to the package I suggested earlier — Brodie + Jankowski + Czarnik; breaking that down its basically Brodie + Jankowski for RNH and Czarnik for Puljujarvi.

If that trade did In fact happen (big if IMO we trade with Edmonton especially a trade of that magnitude) I’d want to see the following moves after the fact.

Frolik for a couple mid picks (New Jersey for a 2nd and Boston’s 4th)
Stone for a late pick (Montreal for Florida’s 5th)
Neal + mid pick for Turris

Sign Tkachuk 6 years 8 Mill AAV
Sign Rittich 2 years 3 Mill AAV
Sign Mangiapane 1 or 2 years 950k AAV
Sign Puljujarvi 1 or 2 years 1 Mill AAV

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm (Takes strong side draws)
Tkachuk - Hopkins - Turris (Takes strong side draws)
Bennett - Backlund - Puljujarvi
Mangiapane - Dube - Ryan (Takes strong side draws)

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Yelesin
Kylington

Rittich
Talbot

Stanley Cup /

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I'm with Jiri.

The arbitration panel by it's very directive isn't supposed to be scouring the internet for information. They're only supposed to be looking at the brief provided by the Flames, and the one by Bennett's agent. If Bennett's agent is using fan forums the procedure won't take that long!

Secondly, it's not going to arbitration. He filed to make sure he didn't get left to the last minute because of the Tkachuk contract.

You look around at the brain thrust running the NHL - replay, reffing, suspension process, awful trades, the RFA / UFA process, signing washed up UFAs to large long term contracts, and you denigrate the usage and impact of fan forums?

If it is not going to arbitration then you don't think that the Flames management ( and the talking heads that manage fan opinion) and the players agents are not monitoring this forum and haven't picked up the overwhelming meme on the Flames team is too small and soft and Bennett being far more valuable on this team then he would be on a regular team that got to the second round of the playoffs?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Do you think the agent is going to craft and present an argument based on fan comments from a forum?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd rather have a brain, Ricardo, so thankfully I'm not a strawman. But I see one in your post.

Seriously, you are aware that the Flames are perfectly capable of keeping Bennett and the core, right? They won't trade Bennett unless it makes sense.

Sorry you did not get my point. Playoff performance , in my book, is far more important than regular season performance.

I never intended to suggest that the Flames were not able to keep their core because of keeping Bennett.

I think that Brodie has been and is a core player and will be missed at lot more than is being projected on the board.

Gio / Anderssen is not a top-2 pairing on a playoff team. Gio-Hamilton was not either.

[Moneyhands23]

Tumble weeds....

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You look around at the brain thrust running the NHL - replay, reffing, suspension process, awful trades, the RFA / UFA process, signing washed up UFAs to large long term contracts, and you denigrate the usage and impact of fan forums?

If it is not going to arbitration then you don't think that the Flames management ( and the talking heads that manage fan opinion) and the players agents are not monitoring this forum and haven't picked up the overwhelming meme on the Flames team is too small and soft and Bennett being far more valuable on this team then he would be on a regular team that got to the second round of the playoffs?

Why would an arbitrator or GM of a hockey team, give one iota of a care as to what fans say or think of a player in regards to his value to that team?

And how does a management team "manage" my or your opinion?

As for player agents, if they are monitoring CP in an effort to get a better deal for their client...well they are doing it wrong. Really wrong.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You look around at the brain thrust running the NHL - replay, reffing, suspension process, awful trades, the RFA / UFA process, signing washed up UFAs to large long term contracts, and you denigrate the usage and impact of fan forums?

If it is not going to arbitration then you don't think that the Flames management ( and the talking heads that manage fan opinion) and the players agents are not monitoring this forum and haven't picked up the overwhelming meme on the Flames team is too small and soft and Bennett being far more valuable on this team then he would be on a regular team that got to the second round of the playoffs?

Wow you really do think highly of yourself.

[DazzlinDino]

ricardodw, replying to himself so that it appears he is getting some attention. That would imply he is not really serious about anything he says but just wants to play a neat little game. Probably not the only one but it does seem like a kind of silly thing to do on a rival message board.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do you think the agent is going to craft and present an argument based on fan comments from a forum?

If Chia surfed HF that might actually explain some things

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Sorry you did not get my point. Playoff performance , in my book, is far more important than regular season performance.

I never intended to suggest that the Flames were not able to keep their core because of keeping Bennett.

I think that Brodie has been and is a core player and will be missed at lot more than is being projected on the board.

Gio / Anderssen is not a top-2 pairing on a playoff team. Gio-Hamilton was not either.

Wanna bet?

[GioforPM]

Bennett's rep will no doubt rely on his playoff performance, while management will stress his regular season. But comments on a forum would never be used. For one thing, they can be manipulated (Guadreauvertime anyone?). At the end of the day I doubt 5 PO games will outweigh 82 regular season games. Plus I think Bennett's performance in the POs, despite being maybe the best on the team except for Smith, is probably overrated and looks good only in comparison to players who didn't perform well at all.

I've always thought that arbitration should be seen as a way to ease tensions between player and team when a negotiation is at an impasse. Just let a third party make the decision. As long as you can get your head around letting the process just go ahead and accept any decision, the player and team should just move on. It would be worse to be sitting in the room with the other side just arguing.