[News] Bouwmeester admits Flames have approached him about trade

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

He's a top pairing dman making top pairing dollars.

Think about it, he's going want to go to a contender and contenders usually have money to spend and will find a way to shoehorn a player of Bouwmeester's calibre, they are not looking to nickel and dime. Consider that Lombardi has been the only player since the CBA to have the team eat salary. Also consider the fact that Bouw has a NTC and is probably only willing to go to a contender which limits the market as well and eating salary may not be a factor with that team. If anything, take a bad contract back instead of eating salary.

I would rather take salary in the Flames position than take a bad contract (unless the return was vastly higher)

I agree with all your saying about what he is, I think the return should be more than any other player dealt so far this year has been, but if taking salary back makes that even higher... the Flames are in a spot where they need to do it

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Stajan has never had any trade value since he's been in a Flames jersey, but with his improved play this season he could finally bring a good return. Move him while his value is higher, no question.

I think Stajan might not be the best influence on the younger players. He seems to let pressure and negativity influence his play. He seems to be in a 'good place' right now, but that's all the more reason to trade him in this rebuild.

That will leave us with one centre which isn't a good idea when that is what we are lacking.

Now for Tanguay, we have at least 5 LWs and they are mostly small or play small. We have to move someone to make room for Baertschi and even than we have too many small LWs.

and Yeah, trade Bouwmeester for a 1st and an okay defenceman coming back.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He is worth 2 first round picks (though, unfortunately, Flames management is not capable of extracting full value in trades)

What's 'full value'? The value that Flames fans dream up on forums?

[StrykerSteve]

In a perfect world, Stajan stays as your 3rd line Center with Hudler and Cervenka.

Of course, this would mean the Flames have a top 6.... which they don't.

[sureLoss]

Spector's Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey 14s Kevin Weekes suggests #Lightning could have interest in Jay Bouwmeester.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Rebuild or no rebuild. I still think it's a mistake to trade a 29-year old defenceman who logs 30 minutes a game against the other team's top lines.

It'll be a bigger mistake to lose him as a UFA in a year.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Spector's Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey 14s Kevin Weekes suggests #Lightning could have interest in Jay Bouwmeester.

No cap space next year - can't see the fit and it is Kevin Weekes who I wouldn't count as an 'insider'

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

He's a top pairing dman making top pairing dollars.

Think about it, he's going want to go to a contender and contenders usually have money to spend and will find a way to shoehorn a player of Bouwmeester's calibre, they are not looking to nickel and dime. Consider that Lombardi has been the only player since the CBA to have the team eat salary. Also consider the fact that Bouw has a NTC and is probably only willing to go to a contender which limits the market as well and eating salary may not be a factor with that team. If anything, take a bad contract back instead of eating salary.

Is every top pairing defender in the NHL worth 6.7 mil? Let me see... 30 teams... that's 60 top pairing defensemen in the league... only 10 defensemen make more than Bouwmeester... looks like Bouwmeester is paid in the top 16 per cent for top pairing defensemen. Do you think he's regarded around the NHL as that calibre of a player - better than 84 per cent of top-pairing defensemen?

[dino7c]

I hope we get half of what some of you guys think we will for Jaybo, I really do

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Is every top pairing defender in the NHL worth 6.7 mil? Let me see... 30 teams... that's 60 top pairing defensemen in the league... only 10 defensemen make more than Bouwmeester... looks like Bouwmeester is paid in the top 16 per cent for top pairing defensemen. Do you think he's regarded around the NHL as that calibre of a player - better than 84 per cent of top-pairing defensemen?

In a perfect world maybe that's how it goes but salaries are based on need, UFA status and to some extent seniority as well as talent.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Rebuild or no rebuild. I still think it's a mistake to trade a 29-year old defenceman who logs 30 minutes a game against the other team's top lines.

Hmmm. I seem to remember a lot of people, myself included, saying the exact same thing about Iggy the past few seasons. When it's clear you are in a rebuild you trade your assets for pieces to help that rebuild. As us thick headed people found out the hard way with Iggy, you don't hang on to top players that will be leaving their prime years long before the team is competitive again.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Because those 30 minutes a night have really been a positive more than they've been a negative for his 4 seasons here...

I think what you're arguing is exactly why we should be getting rid of him. He plays 30 minutes a night and rarely makes a positive difference. Someone who plays that much should be a bigger difference maker, and not for the other team.

I'm just glad his trade value is as high as it's ever been with the Flames. Because of the no defence approach by Hartley he's been able to get his points and looks like someone another team would want. I think we'd be much better without him. 27 other teams don't have a Bouwmeester and are doing just fine.

Get rid of him before people realize he's been a huge part of the losing attitude this team has had over the last 4 years. I don't want him anywhere near our prospects or younger players. Figure skaters show more emotion than Bouwmeester. I can't wait until this bum is off the team.

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

If you play 30 minutes you need to be making a impact on both ends if not dominating the defensive end. He got torched last game. Jay is not a difference maker.

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

It could be argued, as puckluck2 said, that he has a negative impact on the team playing all these quality minutes and not really being a difference maker. However, the fact he continues to get these minutes is indicative we have no better options regardless of how you feel about his play. So I agree that moving him would leave a huge void on D that would eventually need to be filled.

I still think we should trade him though, but the asking price needs to be high as once he's gone we open up the need for a new number 1 D. So we better have ourselves a good draft and/or develop ourselves some quality D prospects as we certainly run the risk of not finding a capable replacement anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Says more about the Flames lack of depth than his ability to handle a heavy workload against elite scorers. It clears massive payroll, brings in a (potential) future asset and helps to begin altering the culture of losing.

It can be argued that he's a negative and not a difference maker. That is fine.
But who will play his minutes and how can you trade him for a difference maker? You'll get a decent prospect and a mid-first round draft choice at best.

The cap issue shouldn't matter now that Iginla is gone. A Bouwmeester trade frees up money for who? Are we going to be going after more free agents? Are we going after a 33-year old Simon Gagne-type 4million player? We're rebuilding so we'll be way under the cap anyways.

Rebuilding is one thing, but you still need an anchor on defense. I can't see the Flames getting any better #1 D than him over the next 3 years. Are we really going to draft one that will make an immediate impact? Is the new captain Giordano really a #1 D? Are there any defensive studs in the system?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

why would you not want to eat salary though if it can get a better deal?

Flames are in a good spot with that, if the next few years are all about playing the kids, managing to stay under the cap shouldn't be a huge issue. Bouwmeester's deal ends next year

take his salary for next year and get an extra asset? or a better asset?

how do you turn that down

Except the Flames are a penny-pinching organization. Who else would trade away 2nd round draft choice so someone could take Kotalik off their hands instead of eating 3 million a burying him in the minors.

No way the Flames eat a penny of any contract.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It can be argued that he's a negative and not a difference maker. That is fine.
But who will play his minutes and how can you trade him for a difference maker? You'll get a decent prospect and a mid-first round draft choice at best.

The cap issue shouldn't matter now that Iginla is gone. A Bouwmeester trade frees up money for who? Are we going to be going after more free agents? Are we going after a 33-year old Simon Gagne-type 4million player? We're rebuilding so we'll be way under the cap anyways.

Rebuilding is one thing, but you still need an anchor on defense. I can't see the Flames getting any better #1 D than him over the next 3 years. Are we really going to draft one that will make an immediate impact? Is the new captain Giordano really a #1 D? Are there any defensive studs in the system?

It will be VERY unlikely that we are a serious contender and in need of that solid #1 D in the next 3 years. The majority of our prospects are not NHL ready and are unlikely to be in the next few years. Jbo being gone might mean we drop from bottom 5 contention to bottom 3 in the coming years. 90% of terrible is still terrible.

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Except the Flames are a penny-pinching organization. Who else would trade away 2nd round draft choice so someone could take Kotalik off their hands instead of eating 3 million a burying him in the minors.

No way the Flames eat a penny of any contract.

The flames are a lot things, but penny pinching is not one of them. They traded Kotalik so they could take a shot at Richards.

[dino7c]

so you are worried about where the flames might be without Jaybo? well they are already in 2nd last so I wouldn't worry. It has nothing to do with money, Jaybo is an asset that will be leaving after next year (newsflash we aren't winning the cup next yeari) so sell him when it is the highest it will ever be. And if they sign some overpriced UFA? who cares, they will still have the prospects/picks from Jaybo.

I will be FURIOUS if they don't move him

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Hmmm. I seem to remember a lot of people, myself included, saying the exact same thing about Iggy the past few seasons. When it's clear you are in a rebuild you trade your assets for pieces to help that rebuild. As us thick headed people found out the hard way with Iggy, you don't hang on to top players that will be leaving their prime years long before the team is competitive again.

hmmm. But Iginla was 29 in 2006 not the last few years. After the Flames Stanley Cup run they were not rebuilding. I agree with you that they should have trade Iginla at the 2011 trade deadline.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so you are worried about where the flames might be without Jaybo? well they are already in 2nd last so I wouldn't worry. It has nothing to do with money, Jaybo is an asset that will be leaving after next year (newsflash we aren't winning the cup next yeari) so sell him when it is the highest it will ever be. And if they sign some overpriced UFA? who cares, they will still have the prospects/picks from Jaybo.

I will be FURIOUS if they don't move him

I just fear we fall into the Oilers trap of being last every year with no light at the end of the tunnel . The Oilers are getting close to another rebuild. Jaybo wouldn't be a UFA, I would extend him right now for slightly less money and move a bunch of other pieces.

If he says no to an extension, then I'd reconsider.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

hmmm. But Iginla was 29 in 2006 not the last few years. After the Flames Stanley Cup run they were not rebuilding. I agree with you that they should have trade Iginla at the 2011 trade deadline.

Not at all what I am saying, they should have traded him the year or the year after they were missing the playoffs as it was quite apparent they were not a contending team and wouldn't be for some time. Same thing applies now with Jbo only this time we have the benefit of hindsight from the Iggy debacle while Jbo is still in his prime.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Not at all what I am saying, they should have traded him the year or the year after they were missing the playoffs as it was quite apparent they were not a contending team and wouldn't be for some time. Same thing applies now with Jbo only this time we have the benefit of hindsight from the Iggy debacle while Jbo is still in his prime.

We are saying the same thing I think
The Flames last made the playoffs in 2009 (their 5th straight playoff appearance). The year or the year after they were missing the playoffs was 2011. Trade deadline 2011 was the best time to trade Iginla. He was 34.