03-30-2013, 02:12 PM
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#601
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Not Jim Playfair
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Wouldn't be shocked if Tanguay did want to stick around because his love for Hartley.
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03-30-2013, 02:13 PM
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#602
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)
so as the flames are a rebuilding team, and likely not a cap team, you want to dish tanguay to essentially woo raymond to save ~1-1.5 mill on his contract as opposed to acquiring picks/prospects that could potentially jump start the rebuild? or give us a slightly better chance of signing him.
end of the day, raymond has to choose calgary, so why not wait till FA
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I am of the mind set that not every trade right now has to be about acquiring just picks and prospects. But finding players that while younger than the players we have now can still be contributors to this team. You are right of course that Raymond has to choose Calgary but at the end of the day the Flames look like they want a total shift from the core they have now.
I like Raymond, tons of speed and a good skill set. Valuable addition to the Flames going forward. At least in my mind.
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03-30-2013, 02:18 PM
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#603
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
You're getting really silly. There's no rush to buyout Tanguay.
Nevermind that he's a 60+ point player who has won a Stanley Cup on a $3.5M contract.
If we don't get his true value back in a trade, he'll be good for padding the stats of our younger players.
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Lol....yes because padding the stats of our young players will change the culture of this team. That is exactly what we need to move forward.
This is a case of addition by subtraction.
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03-30-2013, 05:13 PM
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#605
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Rebuild or no rebuild. I still think it's a mistake to trade a 29-year old defenceman who logs 30 minutes a game against the other team's top lines.
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03-30-2013, 05:18 PM
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#606
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexBurrows_4Hart
Oh, so I think Alex Burrows is an amazing hockey player, a true enforcer who epitomizes how the game should be played, and all of a sudden I'm not a real Flames fan? Hogwash.
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Alex Burros is a BOSS!!!!
Of Hair Pulling
Biting
Diving
Oh... and also talking smack and then hiding.
Like a BOSSSSSS!!!!
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03-30-2013, 05:27 PM
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#607
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Rebuild or no rebuild. I still think it's a mistake to trade a 29-year old defenceman who logs 30 minutes a game against the other team's top lines.
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Because those 30 minutes a night have really been a positive more than they've been a negative for his 4 seasons here...
I think what you're arguing is exactly why we should be getting rid of him. He plays 30 minutes a night and rarely makes a positive difference. Someone who plays that much should be a bigger difference maker, and not for the other team.
I'm just glad his trade value is as high as it's ever been with the Flames. Because of the no defence approach by Hartley he's been able to get his points and looks like someone another team would want. I think we'd be much better without him. 27 other teams don't have a Bouwmeester and are doing just fine.
Get rid of him before people realize he's been a huge part of the losing attitude this team has had over the last 4 years. I don't want him anywhere near our prospects or younger players. Figure skaters show more emotion than Bouwmeester. I can't wait until this bum is off the team.
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03-30-2013, 05:32 PM
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#608
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Lifetime Suspension
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If you play 30 minutes you need to be making a impact on both ends if not dominating the defensive end. He got torched last game. Jay is not a difference maker.
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03-30-2013, 05:38 PM
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#609
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlySports
Rebuild or no rebuild. I still think it's a mistake to trade a 29-year old defenceman who logs 30 minutes a game against the other team's top lines.
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It could be argued, as puckluck2 said, that he has a negative impact on the team playing all these quality minutes and not really being a difference maker. However, the fact he continues to get these minutes is indicative we have no better options regardless of how you feel about his play. So I agree that moving him would leave a huge void on D that would eventually need to be filled.
I still think we should trade him though, but the asking price needs to be high as once he's gone we open up the need for a new number 1 D. So we better have ourselves a good draft and/or develop ourselves some quality D prospects as we certainly run the risk of not finding a capable replacement anytime soon.
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03-30-2013, 05:45 PM
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#610
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: whereever my feet take me
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GirlySports
Rebuild or no rebuild. I still think it's a mistake to trade a 29-year old defenceman who logs 30 minutes a game against the other team's top lines.
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Says more about the Flames lack of depth than his ability to handle a heavy workload against elite scorers. It clears massive payroll, brings in a (potential) future asset and helps to begin altering the culture of losing.
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03-30-2013, 05:47 PM
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#611
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kelowna
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I want Bouw traded before he reverts to the Bouw of old, same with Stajan.
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03-30-2013, 05:52 PM
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#612
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Zulu29
I want Bouw traded before he reverts to the Bouw of old, same with Stajan.
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Bouwmeester & Stajan to St Louis for Berglund, Rattie & a 2nd
Please.
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03-30-2013, 05:55 PM
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#613
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Bouwmeester & Stajan to St Louis for Berglund, Rattie & a 2nd
Please.
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The Blues just acquired Leopold. They are probably out of the sweepstakes now.
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03-30-2013, 06:00 PM
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#614
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Bouwmeester & Stajan to St Louis for Berglund, Rattie & a 2nd
Please.
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I've done my share of ripping on Stajan in the past. But if this year has taught me anything, it's that this team needs players of his type of attitude.
By all means bring in younger players with more skill, and let them learn determination and work ethic from a guy like Stajan.
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03-30-2013, 06:03 PM
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#615
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gondi Stylez
You guys really don't think Jbow could command a heft return if the Flames eat a third of his salary? Call me crazy but I think the return will be pretty substantial.
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You're crazy.
Explain how eating a portion of his salary is required when you've had teams interested in him since last summer. Do you think Detroit will pass on him because of salary, especially since they have gobs of cap space and a glaring need for a top pairing dman? Don't know why we would be expected to subsidize his salary, if he doesn't fit your internal budget he's not for you. He would probably command his current salary if he were to hit the ufa market. Can't see a serious buyer asking us to eat some of his salary and they will better their offer. Sorry St Louis, if you're not prepared to pay the price (salary and assets) you can have Leopold, good luck with that.
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03-30-2013, 06:09 PM
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#616
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
I've done my share of ripping on Stajan in the past. But if this year has taught me anything, it's that this team needs players of his type of attitude.
By all means bring in younger players with more skill, and let them learn determination and work ethic from a guy like Stajan.
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Stajan has never had any trade value since he's been in a Flames jersey, but with his improved play this season he could finally bring a good return. Move him while his value is higher, no question.
I think Stajan might not be the best influence on the younger players. He seems to let pressure and negativity influence his play. He seems to be in a 'good place' right now, but that's all the more reason to trade him in this rebuild.
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03-30-2013, 06:09 PM
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#617
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Franchise Player
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why would you not want to eat salary though if it can get a better deal?
Flames are in a good spot with that, if the next few years are all about playing the kids, managing to stay under the cap shouldn't be a huge issue. Bouwmeester's deal ends next year
take his salary for next year and get an extra asset? or a better asset?
how do you turn that down
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03-30-2013, 06:10 PM
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#618
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Franchise Player
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Eating some salary might make more teams interested though.
St. Louis would have cap concerns next year, but if you eat $2.68M on that cap hit... more teams become interested, more teams can bid, and the price sky rockets.
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03-30-2013, 06:29 PM
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#619
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf
why would you not want to eat salary though if it can get a better deal?
Flames are in a good spot with that, if the next few years are all about playing the kids, managing to stay under the cap shouldn't be a huge issue. Bouwmeester's deal ends next year
take his salary for next year and get an extra asset? or a better asset?
how do you turn that down
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He's a top pairing dman making top pairing dollars.
Think about it, he's going want to go to a contender and contenders usually have money to spend and will find a way to shoehorn a player of Bouwmeester's calibre, they are not looking to nickel and dime. Consider that Lombardi has been the only player since the CBA to have the team eat salary. Also consider the fact that Bouw has a NTC and is probably only willing to go to a contender which limits the market as well and eating salary may not be a factor with that team. If anything, take a bad contract back instead of eating salary.
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03-30-2013, 06:43 PM
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#620
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Draft Pick
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteLFan
If you play 30 minutes you need to be making a impact on both ends if not dominating the defensive end. He got torched last game. Jay is not a difference maker.
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Most of the reason he gets torched is because the flames have no one to play with him against top guys. Last year he was with Butler, this year Gio was awful in that role and now he's playing with a rookie who's over matched in the role.
But when it comes to trading Bouwmeester it's a simple question. When the flames are ready to compete again, will the assets they acquire for him be worth more than he would be to the flames (which likely isn't much since he will leave as a ufa)
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